I know this is extremely reductionist, but for me the issue boils down to this: Can any U.S. Citizen that becomes incredibly ill be guaranteed quality medical care without fear financial ruin? If the answer is "no," then we are doing it wrong.
I hate to sound like the bad guy here, but I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. I support the requirement of employers to supply health insurance, but the work of a lot of physicians amounts to scientific miracles. I mean, you can use a gamma-knife to irradiate the exact dimensions of an inoperable malignant brain tumor and kill it outright with almost zero risk to the patient. There's a valid reason some of the services we offer in this country are out of the reach of even fairly good insurance coverage.
EDIT: Jesus Christ, I'm starting to sound like the older docs in my family...
As I said, the statement/sentiment was reductionist. Also, it wasn't directed at the cost of health care, but rather the fact that we aren't willing to ensure that our countrymen aren't provided for when they are in need.
Specifically, he cited the "individual mandate." I assume he's referring to the tax levied on individuals who are not carrying some kind of health care.
This should set up quite a series of court challenges.
Specifically, he cited the "individual mandate." I assume he's referring to the tax levied on individuals who are not carrying some kind of health care.
This should set up quite a series of court challenges.
Virginia already did this. It's going to the supreme court to be slapped down (the lawsuits that is). Unless they want a WHOLE bunch of other suits to come their way.
Yeah, but this is adding to the pile. It's tied up now; 2 for and 2 against. They've also apparently gone straight down party lines. Not terribly surprising overall.
Individual mandate going down could mess up all other sorts of laws, like possibly car insurance requirements.
I'm torn on this issue in terms of what I like/don't like. I think that in principle it's not cool to force people to gamble, which is what buying insurance is. In terms of practicality, there's no real better solution. Otherwise, some shitty driver crashes into you, and can't afford to pay, now what?
Constitutionally, I think it stands. Commerce clause. Buying insurance is commerce.
I think that in principle it's not cool to force people to gamble, which is what buying insurance is. In terms of practicality, there's no real better solution. Otherwise, some shitty driver crashes into you, and can't afford to pay, now what?
Mandatory insurance is less gambling and more distribution of risk.
Individual mandate going down could mess up all other sorts of laws, like possibly car insurance requirements.
Incidentally, this is the same argument I had Friday with a police officer. I was chatting up a captain I know and he made an offhand remark about how terrible Obama is and how "ObamaCare is going to destroy our nation." He said the government should be able to tell people how to live their lives.
At which point I held out my hand and asked for his badge. I told him I would support him 100 percent in his statement if his police department never wrote another ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, driving without a license, driving without proper permits, or driving uninsured.
He was not amused. In fact, he began yelling invectives and stomped out of his own office, leaving me behind giggling.
At which point I held out my hand and asked for his badge. I told him I would support him 100 percent in his statement if his police department never wrote another ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, driving without a license, driving without proper permits, or driving uninsured.
Wow, did he actually ever recover and say anything constructive?
At which point I held out my hand and asked for his badge. I told him I would support him 100 percent in his statement if his police department never wrote another ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, driving without a license, driving without proper permits, or driving uninsured.
Wow, did he actually ever recover and say anything constructive?
Dude straight up fucking left, with me sitting alone in a secure area within easy reach of confidential information. He was clearly pretty worked up. I doubt I'll talk to Dennis anytime soon. The last I heard, he was slamming a hallway door and yelling about socialism.
I actually pulled over a cop in that area once. Have I told that story?
It was about five years ago. I know the officers of that city fairly well, almost all by name, many by association. Police cars speeding without their lights on is a big pet peeve of mine. Either you have a code clearance from dispatch to speed or you are breaking the law. So when I saw a cruiser zip by me on a bridge going 50 in a 25 mph zone with no lights, no siren, I zipped into the tightest U-ey I've ever pulled and started frantically flashing my headlights at the cop. He pulled over expecting a huge emergency, and the rest was a kind of funny situation. He wanted to cite me with causing a panic, and I told him I'd agree to that if he wanted the judge to know why I'd pulled him over.
Oh wow, I've been wrong about the Community Health Insurance Option.
Apparently, it was struck from the bill, in the Senate. I was using THOMAS the entire time, and apparently it doesn't include notes for when an amendment strikes a prior section. I just never caught it until I read the government site going over the bill, and found a compiled .pdf of the bill. There it was, Section 1323 [stricken].
Ah well. Just goes to show you that really really really really need to read everything. EVERYTHING.
It will never actually get through, but that's not the purpose of it, it's entire purpose is to make a point about healthcare reform. In the words of Representative Hal Wick, Republican dude(Fucked if I remember what you call them, I was going to call him a member, but in the political sense, not in the sense as most people are going to) for Souix Falls, who said on the topic -
“Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance,â€Â
To quote something my dear, sweet grandmother once said to me, Fucking Cockhead.
Let's see him lead the charge to repeal auto insurance and home-owner's insurance requirements.
Well having full coverage auto insurance is a stipulation of my auto loan. Even if it was repealed I'd still be required to have it. Home owner's insurance is probably the same.
Well having full coverage auto insurance is a stipulation of my auto loan. Even if it was repealed I'd still be required to have it. Home owner's insurance is probably the same.
Yes, an auto loan can dictate the amount of insurance coverage they require, but there is still a minimum amount of insurance required by law. The exact amount varies by state.
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Specifically, he cited the "individual mandate." I assume he's referring to the tax levied on individuals who are not carrying some kind of health care.
This should set up quite a series of court challenges.
However, if you're alive and not a dependent, you have to carry individual health coverage. I think (but I'm not sure) that's a different situation.
Constitutionally, I think it stands. Commerce clause. Buying insurance is commerce.
At which point I held out my hand and asked for his badge. I told him I would support him 100 percent in his statement if his police department never wrote another ticket for not wearing a seatbelt, driving without a license, driving without proper permits, or driving uninsured.
He was not amused. In fact, he began yelling invectives and stomped out of his own office, leaving me behind giggling.
I hope you don't speed in that area Jason. ^_^
It was about five years ago. I know the officers of that city fairly well, almost all by name, many by association. Police cars speeding without their lights on is a big pet peeve of mine. Either you have a code clearance from dispatch to speed or you are breaking the law. So when I saw a cruiser zip by me on a bridge going 50 in a 25 mph zone with no lights, no siren, I zipped into the tightest U-ey I've ever pulled and started frantically flashing my headlights at the cop. He pulled over expecting a huge emergency, and the rest was a kind of funny situation. He wanted to cite me with causing a panic, and I told him I'd agree to that if he wanted the judge to know why I'd pulled him over.
Apparently, it was struck from the bill, in the Senate. I was using THOMAS the entire time, and apparently it doesn't include notes for when an amendment strikes a prior section. I just never caught it until I read the government site going over the bill, and found a compiled .pdf of the bill. There it was, Section 1323 [stricken].
Ah well. Just goes to show you that really really really really need to read everything. EVERYTHING.
Health care is a right not a privilege. All people should have access to the same quality of health care.
This is not possible with a public and private system. Therefore all health care should be public.
That is anti-freedom but then so is a lot of things. Like your law system.
It will never actually get through, but that's not the purpose of it, it's entire purpose is to make a point about healthcare reform. In the words of Representative Hal Wick, Republican dude(Fucked if I remember what you call them, I was going to call him a member, but in the political sense, not in the sense as most people are going to) for Souix Falls, who said on the topic - To quote something my dear, sweet grandmother once said to me, Fucking Cockhead.
Ayup. Totally the same.