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  • There isn't enough inclusive design in general. We have modern theories of design, that aren't being applied enough, because things don't change quick enough. I was having it explained to me briefly by a nurse, how certain colour flooring will cause people with dementia to not want to walk on it. So public buildings even have to consider mental health.

    The solutions are sometimes very simple, but it takes consideration at the point of design.

    A cure for colour blindness would be the best solution however.
  • Alaric728 said:

    I had a Barbie when I was young. I had an Easy Bake Oven. I didn't turn out gay, but I do love cooking.

    And now something completely different...

    Would it matter if you did turn out gay?
    I guess not but I've never really discussed that with my parents.
  • Woke up to an earthquake this morning. It was only a 4.0 but it was only a couple of miles from me. My reaction was pretty much the same as these dogs, only no reaction pre-quake.
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    I needed a custom Windows 10 installer disk label
  • edited August 2015
    Neat analysis of framing shots. I also really like Drive so I enjoyed it more because of that.
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  • MATATAT said:

    Neat analysis of framing shots. I also really like Drive so I enjoyed it more because of that.

    No Film School is a daily read for me. It's awesome.
  • The group that hacked Ashley Madison has released the data.

    Outside of the apparently large number of users who signed up to the website with government or military emails, what I find interesting is that AM actually encrypted passwords. That's a step up from most, if not all, other hacked websites.
  • Banta said:

    The group that hacked Ashley Madison has released the data.

    Outside of the apparently large number of users who signed up to the website with government or military emails, what I find interesting is that AM actually encrypted passwords. That's a step up from most, if not all, other hacked websites.

    This is pretty funny all things considered.

    Here's hoping every dick ever posted to snapchat appears next. ;^)
  • Banta said:

    The group that hacked Ashley Madison has released the data.

    Outside of the apparently large number of users who signed up to the website with government or military emails, what I find interesting is that AM actually encrypted passwords. That's a step up from most, if not all, other hacked websites.

    Good. Fuck everyone who used that website. They are shitbags.

    Seriously?!? How are they better than Sony?
  • Banta said:

    The group that hacked Ashley Madison has released the data.

    Outside of the apparently large number of users who signed up to the website with government or military emails, what I find interesting is that AM actually encrypted passwords. That's a step up from most, if not all, other hacked websites.

    Good. Fuck everyone who used that website. They are shitbags.

    Seriously?!? How are they better than Sony?
    So what you're saying is if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide?
  • I can think of people who are not dickbags using AM for some reason or another. And in general I think people who use such a site are within their rights to use it without being persecuted, and should be able to maintain whatever privacy they shold expect from any other site for any other purpose.

    That said, who signs up for one of those sites and doesn't use throwaway info? Even if you should expect some level of privacy, the idea that someone could hack the info or use it against you is not a novel concept.

  • People need to realize that the moment you give information to another person, you're trusting that person 100% with that information.

    Most people can not be trusted. Most companies can not be trusted. Most ANYTHINGs can not be trusted.

    This will happen more and more often, and can not be stopped. It's like the kids using snapchat and thinking that they are "safe."
  • Rym said:

    People need to realize that the moment you give information to another person, you're trusting that person 100% with that information.

    Most people can not be trusted. Most companies can not be trusted. Most ANYTHINGs can not be trusted.

    This will happen more and more often, and can not be stopped. It's like the kids using snapchat and thinking that they are "safe."

    All of that is true, but bringing it up after something like AM getting hacked, especially when people are calling the people affected "shitbags", smells strongly of victim blaming. Jut because people on AM were too trusting of another company, perhaps stupidly so, doesn't mean they deserve to have their lives blown up.
  • RymRym
    edited August 2015
    In this case, the people using the site are most likely, in most cases, shitbags. That's pretty-much undisputed. It's like if the KKK member registry gets hacked. Sure, it's illegal, and sure, it does ruin lives. But while I have philosophical issues with that ruination, practically I'm pretty happy to know who the shitbags are.

    The other side of the coin would be if, say, a Planned Parenthood registry of abortions were hacked. It would cause similar ruination in the lives of the affected. But the affected people here are innocent of any wrongdoing or shitbagedness. I would practically consider it a massive, horrific breach.

    So yeah, I'm applying a personal double-standard, based entirely in arbitrary practicality. I'd rather no one get hacked like this (since philosophically it's equally likely to harm people who don't "deserve" it as to harm those who "do deserve it"). But, I also think the world is better off if, say, the KKK member registry is leaked, but worse off if the Planned Parenthood abortion recipient list is leaked.

    Activist hacks are "good" when they're on "my side" and bad when they're on "the other side." That's certainly an entirely arbitrary morality, ripe for abuse when more than one morality exists in the world.

    So philosophy aside, in this one case, it's pretty-much just hilarious.
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  • edited August 2015
    malzraa said:

    Banta said:

    The group that hacked Ashley Madison has released the data.

    Outside of the apparently large number of users who signed up to the website with government or military emails, what I find interesting is that AM actually encrypted passwords. That's a step up from most, if not all, other hacked websites.

    Good. Fuck everyone who used that website. They are shitbags.

    Seriously?!? How are they better than Sony?
    So what you're saying is if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide?
    No I'm saying in this specific instance. That website is designed to facilitate users in doing something I think we can all agree is a shitty thing to do.

    Fuck those people.
    SWATrous said:

    I can think of people who are not dickbags using AM for some reason or another. And in general I think people who use such a site are within their rights to use it without being persecuted, and should be able to maintain whatever privacy they shold expect from any other site for any other purpose.

    That said, who signs up for one of those sites and doesn't use throwaway info? Even if you should expect some level of privacy, the idea that someone could hack the info or use it against you is not a novel concept.

    Out of curiosity, what other reason would people have to use this site that doesn't make them assholes?
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  • Out of curiosity, what other reason would people have to use this site that doesn't make them assholes?


    Well let me preface with "I'm sure there's better methods of online dating" but I can think of situations where single people might use the resources of such a site to find other single hookups that are more in their demographic. Recently divorced individuals could hypothetically find the 'AM' pool more to their liking than other dating. I'm assuming AM is a bit more discreet than other online dating type websites? So that could be incentive.

    And there are some couples for whom they've decided non-long-term outside relationships are acceptable, and you're probably much more likely to find a site like AM to provide potential matches who are expecting non-long-term type situations with someone who is already in a relationship. It's a given.

    So maybe what I'm saying is there's probably ways to use it that don't involve cheating on someone. Are those outlier cases? Yeah. Are those people going to have their relationships ruined if their spouse finds they have an Ashley Maddison Account? unlikely in this case. Should their shit be put on public display? I don't think it's a great thing. I'm pro-privacy for all, even the 'shitbags', because blanket morality is impossible and maybe it's OK for some people to cheat, that's their life.

    I'm not going to call a cheater a shitbag by default, I'm going to call a shitbag a shitbag, and if their cheating is causing them to be a shitbag then they earn the title; but maybe in their situation it isn't shitty or deserving of blanket derision... maybe its inconsequential. All things being grey and relative who's to say?

    Rym's point of view is that his morality may lead to hypocrisy and double-standards, but that's OK with him as long as he's following Wheedon's law and not being a dick: but that's not a philosophy I could sustain.
  • There was a Reddit user who said he was from Saudi Arabia, and the Ashley Madison hack jeopardized his life because he had been flirting with men on there, a capital offense there. Dunno if it's true, but it certainly got me thinking. This may have greater consequences than the victim of the attack deserves.
  • I can't wait for the Christian Mingle leaks to come out.
  • No I'm saying in this specific instance. That website is designed to facilitate users in doing something I think we can all agree is a shitty thing to do.

    Fuck those people.

    What exactly is so shitty about "cheating?" There are many very legitimate reasons why a married person would want to discreetly look for sex or love outside their marriage. Even without "good reasons", what is so special about monogamy that makes people who deviate from it bad people?
  • edited August 2015
    Ilmarinen said:

    No I'm saying in this specific instance. That website is designed to facilitate users in doing something I think we can all agree is a shitty thing to do.

    Fuck those people.

    What exactly is so shitty about "cheating?" There are many very legitimate reasons why a married person would want to discreetly look for sex or love outside their marriage. Even without "good reasons", what is so special about monogamy that makes people who deviate from it bad people?
    In most human cultures, when a person is married to another person, or even in girlfriend/boyfriend type relationship, there is a culturally understood implicit agreement that both of those people are off the market, so to speak. So there is one thing wrong.

    Secondly, if a person is cheating, that means that they aren't telling their other partner about them having sex with another person. If they DID tell the other partner and they were okay with it, then it wouldn't be cheating. If their partner wasn't okay with it, they should either not continue cheating or break up. But to go behind a persons back and have sex with someone else while still sexually active with your partner and not disclose that fact is, at the very least, a health risk to all involved.

    Third, while there is nothing inherently special about monogamy or inherently wrong with polygamy, monogamy IS the cultural norm and deviating from the norm without disclosing to your partner that you are doing so is a lie by omission.

    This isn't something you just happen to do. If you were going out with someone and your conversations just never came around to the point where you tell them you like doing taxidermy, that's okay. That might be something not a lot of people do and your partner might think it's weird, but there isn't a cultural understanding that, if you have a girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband, you can't do taxidermy.

    This is something you are doing with the intent on keeping it a secret from your partner. That's half of the marketing for Ashley Madison: We'll help you do something we both know you're not supposed to be doing by helping you arrange it and keep it a secret.

    It's the willful deception that makes it wrong.
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  • Hm. There's quite a few emails in there that I strongly suspect may not be real accounts.
  • edited August 2015
    Yeah, there's a lot of fake sign-ups. Turns out AM didn't verify emails attached to their accounts, making it trivially easy to sign people up to make them look like assholes.

    Edit - and, of course, Gamergate pretty much immediately started using it to go after game developers and other assorted people they don't like. My surprise is off the charts. The bottom of the charts because it's not surprising in the slightest, but still.
    Post edited by Churba on
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