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GeekNights 081001 - Comics are for Boys
Tonight on GeekNights we response to a somewhat fair criticism of one of our panels. In the news, we went to the NYAF, and they're really making the Lupin Car.
Scott's Thing - Mamboleo
Rym's Thing - Rock and Roll Bomber
Scott's Thing - Mamboleo
Rym's Thing - Rock and Roll Bomber
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You need to read Tin Tin. Put it on your list...
2. I think that making definitive versions of your panels would be a great idea. because Not only are some people too lazy to go to see you guys, but some are actually incapable. of seeing it (such as long stretches of water known as the ocean). Also, you guys have gone down to two shows a week, so you have more time to put together these smaller ideas in order to boost you into your eventual super Internet popularity faster.
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Fiat courting Ford for a joint project basically means "Ford, makes us an engine, we make the rest". Since that's pretty much all Ford can make.
On the girls & comics issue, my early teen daughter has read most of the comics you brought up at the panel. She's got no problem with them 'not being for girls' since she's being raised right...
I remember talking to a few people who work at a comic book shop that based upon what they've seen that Runaways is the gateway comic for boyfriends trying to get their girlfriends into comics.
Also I think that it's a great idea that you put your retired panels on youtube. For those who can't go to all those East Coast cons, it would be a nice treat to see what you did there.
Listen. There is more entertainment media in the world than there is time to consume. If you want us to consume more, send us thousands of dollars every month so that we can quit our jobs and spend all of our time reading and watching and playing. I'll be more than happy to take you up on it. Until then, just chill. My to-read stack of books is larger than many people's entire personal libraries. Back off.
As likeable as you guys are, the image that comes to mind upon reflecting on the 2nd half of the podcast is of three people sitting around agreeing with each other that the earth is flat (literally, geometrically). I have three simple, direct questions to pose to you all:
1) Why is it that when I go into a Western-comics-oriented comic book store like Midtown Comics, it is always the case that almost all the customers in the store are male. I do not see a sign at the door saying "no females allowed"... it seems to have something to do with the content of the material on the shelves.
2) Why is it that when I go to a Western comic book con in NYC, the vast majority of the attendees are male. I do not see a sign at the door saying "Half-price admission for dudes": it seems to have something to do with the material within.
3) Why is it that when I go to an anime/manga con in the NYC area, the attendees are either split about 50-50 males/females or there is actually a majority of females. For all the world it seems to be a result of the material within.
OF COURSE FRANK MILLER FARE IS MALE ORIENTED! Denying that is craziness! For example, did you guys watch "Sin City"?! It is little more than a succession of violence and torture: entirely dependent on depictions of grizzly gore for it's entertainment value. On a few of the others: I started reading Watchmen once but it didn't interest me (the "just look at the name" comment was meant as a joke). I read an issue of Bone yesterday: I thought it was pretty dumb. But I have not given up and I am going to try Fables. I appreciate Emily's recommendations at the end: perhaps I will try those.
Also, while Sin City and other Frank Miller books, do tend to be violent, and have many whores in them, we did not recommend Sin City, 300, Ronin, or his other works. We recommended only Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, which is a revolutionary comic from any perspective. It is no different than recommending The Godfather as a great movie. It has plenty of depictions of violence, but it is considered one of the greatest movies of all time with equal appeal to all people, regardless of gender, race, or other factors.
I really think there is definitely a Catch-22 situation going on here. If you make the pretty pink comics like in Japan, you are sexist because you are furthering the gender stereotypes. If you don't make the pretty pink comics, you are sexist because you neglected the female audience. Which is it?
I agree the US comics market is sexist because they make many unisex comics as well as male-stereotyped comics, but not many female stereotyped ones. That sort of imbalance is clearly a problem. However, I think that everyone, but you, agrees that the specific comics we mentioned in our panel have unisex appeal. If a comic only had appeal to one particular demographic, even a non-gender demographic, it wouldn't be worth mentioning.