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Manga collector faces jailtime

chaosof99chaosof99
edited May 2009 in Manga/Comics
Now this is fucked up, plain and simply fucked up:

U.S. Manga Obscenity Conviction Roils Comics World
The 39-year-old office worker was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” Handley’s guilty plea makes him the first to be convicted under that law for possessing cartoon art, without any evidence that he also collected or viewed genuine child pornography. He faces a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison.
Can somebody tell me why computer images, sculptures, drawings or pictures of drawings and sculptures are outlawed under this act?

It does absolutely nothing to protect minors and in fact one could argue that it endangers minors even more because it could lead to taking away an outlet for creeps that enjoy this kind of stuff. It is lines on paper. No actual minors are in any way, shape or form involved in the production of it.

Obscenity laws are a fucking joke.
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  • gomidoggomidog
    edited May 2009
    I agree. I hate lolicon porn as much as the next normal person, but I feel like comics are just thoughts put down on paper. Can you convict someone for having perverted thoughts? It's like if you convicted someone for having snuff porn for having a drawing of someone getting stabbed with a sword.
    Post edited by gomidog on
  • AprecheApreche
    Well, it's disappointing because he plead guilty. I guess pleading guilty is better than a guilty verdict, but it's still not good. Let's hope that a bad legal precedent is not set just because they went after someone who didn't have the guts to stand up for themselves.
  • NuriNuri
    Yes. There's a huge difference between fantasizing or liking to read about something and actually DOING it. That law doesn't outlaw cartoon depictions of other illegal activities. I'm not sure why they can draw a distinction.
  • fluxflux
    edited May 2009
    Yes. There's a huge difference between fantasizing or liking to read about something and actually DOING it. That law doesn't outlaw cartoon depictions of other illegal activities. I'm not sure why they can draw a distinction.
    That's actually a very good point seeing that a lot of Hollywood movies seem to have crime as the main theme.

    Not to mention movies like Hostile or Saw...
    Post edited by flux on
  • chaosof99chaosof99
    Well, it's disappointing because he plead guilty. I guess pleading guilty is better than a guilty verdict, but it's still not good. Let's hope that a bad legal precedent is not set just because they went after someone who didn't have the guts to stand up for themselves.
    Pleading guilty was part of a bargain with the plaintiffs.
  • Loganator456Loganator456
    I agree with Emily and Nuri on this one. If it's on paper, it's not hurting anyone, and he's not bothering anyone (hopefully) about it.
  • progSHELLprogSHELL
    Now, I'm torn on this issue. I agree that drawn child porn is not hurting anyone directly. I also agree that exposure to such material could make someone act on their impulses. However, I can also see that using lolicon instead of real children may actually decrease the number of child molestations, due to the "release" that these pedophiles get from lolicon. I would need to see some surveys to make a final judgement of it.
  • NeitoNeito
    If it's not real little girls/boys, and no real little girls/boys were used in the making of it, then I personally see no gray area. The purpose of child porn laws are to prevent harm to children, not to punish weirdos who like little girls/boys.
  • CremlianCremlian
    But But, Sasami is really several thousands years old. Just because she looks like a 13 year old doesn't mean she really is..... ugh I used to hate that argument :-p
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    Yikes, better double check the pron directory.
  • CremlianCremlian
    Yikes, better double check the pron directory.
    I bet you are :-p double checking it maybe a fourth time ;-p
  • AprecheApreche
    But But, Sasami is really several thousands years old. Just because she looks like a 13 year old doesn't mean she really is..... ugh I used to hate that argument :-p
    You used to hate it, but now you agree with it?
  • George PatchesGeorge Patches
    I bet you are :-p double checking it maybe a fourth time ;-p
    Yeah, this double checking is very time consuming. ;-P

    Probably easier to just encrypt everything. God bless the 5th.
  • CremlianCremlian
    edited December 2009
    But But, Sasami is really several thousands years old. Just because she looks like a 13 year old doesn't mean she really is..... ugh I used to hate that argument :-p
    You used to hate it, but now you agree with it?
    Used to as in noone ever talks about it anymore :-p
    Post edited by Cremlian on
  • AprecheApreche
    Used to as in noone ever talks about it anymore :-p
    If you think about it seriously, though, the reason that we have a moral problem with having sex with children is because of their lack of mental faculties, not because of the size and shape of their bodies. We consider it to be rape, even if its consensual, because one of the people involved is not mentally capable of consenting.

    If in the real world some 40 year old person had some rare condition that left them in a 12 year-old body, there would be no moral problem with getting with them. Likewise, if there were some rare condition where they had a 35-year old body, but a 12 year-old mind, there would be a very big problem.

    Regardless, it is true that the guys who like Sasami are pedos who are attracted to 13-year olds, and they just need an excuse to find something to wank at that is not technically wrong.
  • chaosof99chaosof99
    A man from Missouri will probably spend three years in prison for owning pictures.
  • Dragonmaster LouDragonmaster Lou
    If in the real world some 40 year old person had some rare condition that left them in a 12 year-old body, there would be no moral problem with getting with them. Likewise, if there were some rare condition where they had a 35-year old body, but a 12 year-old mind, there would be a very big problem.
    Exactly. There was even an episode of Law and Order: SVU about this precise situation a while back. It involved a woman who was at least 18 or so, but had some condition where she looked 12. Her boyfriend was someone who probably would be a pedophile, except (as far as the characters on the show could determine) he didn't act out his impulses against real children and lucked out in finding this legal adult with the body of a child.
  • Jack DraigoJack Draigo
    Yikes, better double check the pron directory.
    No kidding.

    But seriously that's fucked up. Nuri pretty much summed up my stance on the issue so there's not more I can contribute unless I want to be contrarian, and I don't.
  • RymRym
    edited October 2012
    The greatest strength, weakness, and test of truly free speech is in the defense of its most vile uses.
    Post edited by Rym on
  • RymRym
    edited October 2012
    Also, the presence of Tsunami within Sasami further complicates that ridiculous argument. ;^)
    Post edited by Rym on
  • muppetmuppet
    So you mean like that ViolentAcrez guy? Did we discuss that guy yet?
  • ChurbaChurba
    So you mean like that ViolentAcrez guy? Did we discuss that guy yet?
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  • gomidoggomidog
    edited October 2012
    That gif, I LOLed.

    Also, yell at those stupid hentai lolicon pervs to your heart's content. That's fine. You should tell them that they suck for reading that crap and fail at life.
    You shouldn't put them in jail, though. Fight speech with speech.
    Post edited by gomidog on
  • AndrewAndrew
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  • RymRym
    The greatest strength, weakness, and test of truly free speech is in the defense of its most vile uses.
    So you mean like that ViolentAcrez guy? Did we discuss that guy yet?
    Fight his ridiculous speech with speech. ;^)
  • muppetmuppet
    I think the problem we had before was that people didn't agree what he's doing is speech but rather assault... should I go back and quote?

    Ah you know what? It's Friday. Fuck it.
  • Jack DraigoJack Draigo
    That gif, I LOLed.

    Also, yell at those stupid hentai lolicon pervs to your heart's content. That's fine. You should tell them that they suck for reading that crap and fail at life.
    You shouldn't put them in jail, though. Fight speech with speech.
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  • WalkerWalker
    Hey, some people can't help the fact that they're really into that sort of thing. More power to 'em for indulging in a way that doesn't hurt a soul.
  • gomidoggomidog
    They are gross and creepy and enjoy bad things.
  • gomidoggomidog
    I think the problem we had before was that people didn't agree what he's doing is speech but rather assault... should I go back and quote?

    Ah you know what? It's Friday. Fuck it.
    Is that because you just made it up? Is it? I think it is. Because I never said that.
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