I'm hoping for neural interface jacks to be reality by 2025. Full brain "disk image" creation and loading to a computer by 2050. That would be awesome. Immortality, yay!
Is it odd that my first thought is that it would make international romance that much easier?
As for Emily and Rym, it's always exciting when you start living with your significant other. I can honestly say you learn more about yourself and your significant other when most if not all inhibitions are revealed. This isn't necessarily always the case, but I think living with your significant other has more positives than commuting to and from their place. I'm happy for both you!
Quoted for truth. Although it isn't sunshine and daises all the time I wouldn't want to stop living with guy. Part of the adventure is knowing strange things about someone when you live with them.
If anything, we'll probably hear of awesome stories of things going on at Rym's Geek Haus.
I'm hoping for neural interface jacks to be reality by 2025. Full brain "disk image" creation and loading to a computer by 2050. That would be awesome. Immortality, yay!
Is it odd that my first thought is that it would make international romance that much easier?
Nah. In fact, it be even better. Have neuroprogrammers map an interface between one person's ideas and the other's limbic system. There would be Nivenesque problems though. Electrical stimulation of the body's hardwired pleasure centers is a good way to get someone addicted.
I think it would be a nice change for Scott to be able to have his own place with all his own things, doing whatever, whenever. Plus walking around the apartment sans clothes is a good perk.
Well, Rym already does that without having to move away from Scott :-p
If anything, we'll probably hear of awesome stories of things going on at Rym's Geek Haus.
I look forward to the home improvement/hire contractor stories :-p
Well, Rym already does that without having to move away from Scott :-p
LOL. I was wondering about that when I was typing that comment. I figured possibly one of them already does that.
I look forward to the home improvement/hire contractor stories :-p
No doubt. I think it will be cool to hear about Rym getting those guys that make custom gaming tables for him. They were way awesome. I remember seeing them at a comicon and was geeking out over their displays.
I would want to stop living with guy. Part of the adventure is knowing strange things about someone when you live with them.
QFT. ^_~ For myself, it's more of Jeremy getting used to my quirks or weirdness. Plus having cats makes the experience more interesting.
As for Emily and Rym, it's always exciting when you start living with your significant other. I can honestly say you learn more about yourself and your significant other when most if not all inhibitions are revealed. This isn't necessarily always the case, but I think living with your significant other has more positives than commuting to and from their place. I'm happy for both you!
Well, I've lived at the Geekhaus numerous times in the past, and we are pretty close in location even now, so I don't know that it will be that much of a change. Basically, the reason I moved out was standards of cleanliness. I wanted a bathroom that was not vile, and a kitchen that was not full of rotten dishes, but the boys would not listen to my entreaties to pick up the mess, and no matter how much I cleaned, it would revert back. It wasn't solely Scott's fault, but he had the more "whatever, neat freak, don't cramp my style" attitude about it, so that's where the "I will not be roommates with Scott again" decision on my part came in. Rym can have as chaotic a room as he wishes, but the common areas should be held to a certain standard that all parties are comfortable with. I really like my apartment. I've lived there for two years now, and any mess there is is entirely my fault and so I pick it up without feeling resentful. It's sunny and nice, if a little echo-ey and I like all my simple furniture and my nice clean kitchen with the white stove, microwave, and rice cooker. I can run around in just boxer shorts (of course, I can do that in the house too.) and dry my clothes by hanging them on hangers from the counter. Rym comes over often (he's been there a lot since it is walking distance from the station, and the car is still busted,) and Alex lives down stairs. I love my "atelier." I'm looking forward to going to hang out at Scott's place. I've thought of moving to the city before, but it will be nice that one of us has a home base there. I also look forward to being able to have pets in the house, and a compost bin.
Basically, the reason I moved out was standards of cleanliness. I wanted a bathroom that was not vile, and a kitchen that was not full of rotten dishes, but the boys would not listen to my entreaties to pick up the mess, and no matter how much I cleaned, it would revert back.
Yeah, my boyfriend lived with another guy before we lived together. Before we moved in, we had to set ground rules on what we expected from each other. I don't mind a bit of a mess, however I will not abide to dirty bathrooms or kitchens. A few dishes in the sink for a day or two is ok, but not to the point where there is an odor starting from that area. I always try to wipe down the counters/stove with cleaning wipes after I make something in the kitchen. So much easier on the upkeep. This is all coming from the influence of a Filipino neat freak mother.
As for the bathroom, we normally wipe the counters, sink, and toilet with clorox/lysol wipes, but every month we do thorough cleaning. Also having bleach tablets in your toilet helps minimize clean ups. I mostly clean our bathroom, while he cleans the extra bathroom where we keep the kitty litter boxes in the spare bathtub.
Yeah, my boyfriend lived with another guy before we lived together. Before we moved in, we had to set ground rules on what we expected from each other. I don't mind a bit of a mess, however I will not abide to dirty bathrooms or kitchens. A few dishes in the sink for a day or two is ok, but not to the point where there is an odor starting from that area. I always try to wipe down the counters/stove with cleaning wipes after I make something in the kitchen. So much easier on the upkeep. This is all coming from the influence of a Filipino neat freak mother.
As for the bathroom, we normally wipe the counters, sink, and toilet with clorox/lysol wipes, but every month we do thorough cleaning. Also having bleach tablets in your toilet helps minimize clean ups. I mostly clean our bathroom, while he cleans the extra bathroom where we keep the kitty litter boxes in the spare bathtub.
Yeah, that's about how I am. I'm not asking for immaculate, just not smelling bad. With the kitchen, I clean the dishes I used to cook after dinner and wipe the stove and counter with a rag. Bathroom gets a scrubbing with method and pinesol once a month, but basically I find that picking up messes as you make them does a lot to limit the cleaning you need to do. Also, I am bad about dusting.
Untidy = Ok.
But not really? I have trouble concentrating on work when things are chaotic everywhere I look. I can't help it. I'm a visual artist.
Yeah, that's about how I am. I'm not asking for immaculate, just not smelling bad. With the kitchen, I clean the dishes I used to cook after dinner and wipe the stove and counter with a rag. Bathroom gets a scrubbing with method and pinesol once a month, but basically I find that picking up messes as you make them does a lot to limit the cleaning you need to do. Also, I am bad about dusting.
Yes, the clean as you go method helps prevent having to set off a big block of time to do a lot of cleaning. I mostly just try to make sure the stove and counters get wiped down after cooking. I hate cleaning the stove when stuff is crusted over. As for dishes, if we keep them overnight, I try to at least have them soak in soapy water so food/sauce doesn't dry out on them.
I really don't dust, unless I see it there. It's mostly on appliances like the TV, computer, or gaming consoles. We have a canister of electrical dust wipes in the living room and computer room.
But not really? I have trouble concentrating on work when things are chaotic everywhere I look. I can't help it. I'm a visual artist.
I should have added: "Messy to the point where navigation or everyday functions become hindered = Not Ok.".
I wonder what kind of house you get if you put a bunch of neat freaks together. Would it just be very tidy or would their OCD habits clash so that one tidies something into a position another views as untidy?
Basically, the reason I moved out was standards of cleanliness. I wanted a bathroom that was not vile, and a kitchen that was not full of rotten dishes, but the boys would not listen to my entreaties to pick up the mess, and no matter how much I cleaned, it would revert back.
This type of disparity has been the hardest single aspect of being married. Lisa and I have very different standards. My tolerance to dirt and grime is much higher than hers, so she'll reach an (in my mind) arbitrary threshold where she simply shuts down and can't operate anymore until everything is spotless. She stresses out very easily about this condition, saying that I "never clean anything." I've tried explaining that I would clean once the house reaches a certain level of dirtiness that it will register in my brain. But she goes bonkers and cleans long before my filth radar goes off. It's caused a lot of discord in our relationship.
This type of disparity has been the hardest single aspect of being married. Lisa and I have very different standards. My tolerance to dirt and grime is much higher than hers, so she'll reach an (in my mind) arbitrary threshold where she simply shuts down and can't operate anymore until everything is spotless. She stresses out very easily about this condition, saying that I "never clean anything." I've tried explaining that I would clean once the house reaches a certain level of dirtiness that it will register in my brain. But she goes bonkers and cleans long before my filth radar goes off. It's caused a lot of discord in our relationship.
I had the same issue with my mom when I lived at home. Now I live alone and my apartment is a mess. I think my internal filth level simply doesn't exist because it was never used.
This type of disparity has been the hardest single aspect of being married. Lisa and I have very different standards. My tolerance to dirt and grime is much higher than hers, so she'll reach an (in my mind) arbitrary threshold where she simply shuts down and can't operate anymore until everything is spotless. She stresses out very easily about this condition, saying that I "never clean anything." I've tried explaining that I would clean once the house reaches a certain level of dirtiness that it will register in my brain. But she goes bonkers and cleans long before my filth radar goes off. It's caused a lot of discord in our relationship.
So basically, she and I have higher standards. In any situation, would you recommend that people drop their standards (education, writing, etc.) to fit in with the ones around them? No, you wouldn't. This is called, "you aren't trying hard enough."
What I want to know is, why cannot there be compromise? I will lower my standards slightly if they raise theirs slightly (thus: Rym can have a completely disorganized kitchen cupboard as long as the dishes don't stink.) The problem is, I would have had to lower my standards all the way down, far below my level of comfort, and they would not raise theirs. I did not want to sit on the scuzzy toilet! I did not feel clean in the icky shower! All I was asking was some collaboration. I have been neater than all my college roommates, but I let them have have their own space and do their own thing, and we work together on the common areas. However, everyone had an equal sense of responsibility, and would take roommate requests seriously, and I would relax my standards if they tightened theirs.
I had the same issue with my mom when I lived at home. Now I live alone and my apartment is a mess. I think my internal filth level simply doesn't exist because it was never used.
You know, I think this is a societal guy thing, but not an evolutionary guy thing. I think it is that guys don't have to pick up for themselves as much as girls do, and they expect it to just magically happen, because there is often a female figure in their environment that does it for them.
You know, I think this is a societal guy thing, but not an evolutionary guy thing. I think it is that guys don't have to pick up for themselves as much as girls do, and they expect it to just magically happen, because there is often a female figure in their environment that does it for them.
Oh no, my mom never picked up after me. She'd just scream, holler, and ground me until I did it. Maybe that's why I hate it so, because literally for as far back as I can remember I've been grounded every Saturday until my room was clean. Cleaning up has such a negative connotation in my mind that I would rather do pretty much anything than pick up the clothes on the floor around my bed.
So basically, she and I have higher standards. In any situation, would you recommend that people drop their standards (education, writing, etc.) to fit in with the ones around them? No, you wouldn't. This is called, "you aren't trying hard enough."
Your problem here is that it is completely subjective which standard is "higher". In your book, cleaner is a "higher" standard. However, in someone else's book, spending less time stressing about meaningless things like organization and spending more time enjoying life is a higher standard. Expecting other people to have the same subjective standards that you have is disrespectful of other's freedom and choices.
Also, all will soon be revealed that Rym is the mess king, and and has used me as a mess disguising shield.
So basically, she and I have higher standards. In any situation, would you recommend that people drop their standards (education, writing, etc.) to fit in with the ones around them? No, you wouldn't. This is called, "you aren't trying hard enough."
Your problem here is that it is completely subjective which standard is "higher". In your book, cleaner is a "higher" standard. However, in someone else's book, spending less time stressing about meaningless things like organization and spending more time enjoying life is a higher standard. Expecting other people to have the same subjective standards that you have is disrespectful of other's freedom and choices.
Also, all will soon be revealed that Rym is the mess king, and and has used me as a mess disguising shield.
While you are right about standards Scott, the fact remains that Emily is right about your opinion of organization and cleanliness. You should always keep your house moderately clean (what I like to call "able to walk through without stepping on something or is smelly.") because it's a convenience to both yourself and any guests, should you have them over.
Also, all will soon be revealed that Rym is the mess king, and and has used me as a mess disguising shield.
I know that Rym is also messy. Believe me, this concerns me greatly. He can have spots to make as much mess as he wants, such as his room. However, I think he will go with the aforementioned roommate philosophy. Also, cleaning up as you go saves time in the long run. It's just "Put things back where you got them" and then it will all be easy and not take time from your life. Anyway, we've had this talk before. I may not want to room together, but I really do like you a lot.
edit: Actually, once you do the initial organization when you move in, it really doesn't take that much time to maintain. Plus it saves time often, because you can go and find stuff really easily. You need a book? It's over on the shelf. Also, cleaning is not so odious a chore. It is more of a habit. It's just that I had to do extra when I lived with you guys and I have to do very little when I live alone.
Uncle Dave and my mom's friend Leslie, for example. The were pals from the theater. When they roomed together in college Leslie was a total slob and David was super neat and even though they were and still are friends they hated living in the same apartment.
Isn't it interesting how the best of/very good friends often are polar opposites when it comes to the prospect of living together.
I think that your theory that Scott is Sheldon-esque could play into this statement.
For anyone who doesn't know what Li is talking about, he's talking about a very Scott-esque character in the excellent show The Big Bang Theory. Also, yes I'm very sure that Scott would test Pavlovian positive reinforcement theories on other people with them being none the wiser.
Your problem here is that it is completely subjective which standard is "higher". In your book, cleaner is a "higher" standard. However, in someone else's book, spending less time stressing about meaningless things like organization and spending more time enjoying life is a higher standard. Expecting other people to have the same subjective standards that you have is disrespectful of other's freedom and choices.
Your problem here is that it is completely subjective which standard is "higher". In your book, smarter is a "higher" standard. However, in someone else's book, spending less time studying boring things like math and literature, and spending more time goofing off is a higher standard. Expecting other people to have the same subjective standards that you have is disrespectful of other's freedom and choices.
@Emily - Your apartment is so clean. As a neat freak, I'm jealous. It's hard to keep our place looking clean when our space is so limited (things always look cluttered) and with tumbleweeds of dog/cat hair forming anew every day. I'm a little bit neater than Natalie, so it gets to me faster. Only through compromise do we avoid a meltdown. It's really the best way to go.
I've thought of moving to the city before, but it will be nice that one of us has a home base there.
Don't forget there's always been a (non-home) base in Flushing. :P
Uncle Dave and my mom's friend Leslie, for example. The were pals from the theater. When they roomed together in college Leslie was a total slob and David was super neat and even though they were and still are friends they hated living in the same apartment.
So Leslie was Oscar and Dave was Felix*? ^_^ I like to call this phenomena "Madison-Ungar Syndrome*".
For anyone who doesn't know what Li is talking about, he's talking about a very Scott-esque character in the excellent show The Big Bang Theory. Also, yes I'm very sure that Scott would test Pavlovian positive reinforcement tests.
It's a shame that there isn't a parallel for Rym in The Big Bang Theory, I don't think we can expand your theory more because of this.
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I really like my apartment. I've lived there for two years now, and any mess there is is entirely my fault and so I pick it up without feeling resentful. It's sunny and nice, if a little echo-ey and I like all my simple furniture and my nice clean kitchen with the white stove, microwave, and rice cooker. I can run around in just boxer shorts (of course, I can do that in the house too.) and dry my clothes by hanging them on hangers from the counter. Rym comes over often (he's been there a lot since it is walking distance from the station, and the car is still busted,) and Alex lives down stairs. I love my "atelier."
I'm looking forward to going to hang out at Scott's place. I've thought of moving to the city before, but it will be nice that one of us has a home base there. I also look forward to being able to have pets in the house, and a compost bin.
As for the bathroom, we normally wipe the counters, sink, and toilet with clorox/lysol wipes, but every month we do thorough cleaning. Also having bleach tablets in your toilet helps minimize clean ups. I mostly clean our bathroom, while he cleans the extra bathroom where we keep the kitty litter boxes in the spare bathtub.
Visibly unhygienic = Not Ok.
Messy to the point where navigation or everyday functions become hindered = Not Ok.
I really don't dust, unless I see it there. It's mostly on appliances like the TV, computer, or gaming consoles. We have a canister of electrical dust wipes in the living room and computer room.
I wonder what kind of house you get if you put a bunch of neat freaks together. Would it just be very tidy or would their OCD habits clash so that one tidies something into a position another views as untidy?
What I want to know is, why cannot there be compromise? I will lower my standards slightly if they raise theirs slightly (thus: Rym can have a completely disorganized kitchen cupboard as long as the dishes don't stink.) The problem is, I would have had to lower my standards all the way down, far below my level of comfort, and they would not raise theirs. I did not want to sit on the scuzzy toilet! I did not feel clean in the icky shower! All I was asking was some collaboration. I have been neater than all my college roommates, but I let them have have their own space and do their own thing, and we work together on the common areas. However, everyone had an equal sense of responsibility, and would take roommate requests seriously, and I would relax my standards if they tightened theirs. You know, I think this is a societal guy thing, but not an evolutionary guy thing. I think it is that guys don't have to pick up for themselves as much as girls do, and they expect it to just magically happen, because there is often a female figure in their environment that does it for them.
I'm far from incapable.
Also, all will soon be revealed that Rym is the mess king, and and has used me as a mess disguising shield.
Also, cleaning up as you go saves time in the long run. It's just "Put things back where you got them" and then it will all be easy and not take time from your life.
Anyway, we've had this talk before. I may not want to room together, but I really do like you a lot.
edit: Actually, once you do the initial organization when you move in, it really doesn't take that much time to maintain. Plus it saves time often, because you can go and find stuff really easily. You need a book? It's over on the shelf. Also, cleaning is not so odious a chore. It is more of a habit. It's just that I had to do extra when I lived with you guys and I have to do very little when I live alone.
Uncle Dave and my mom's friend Leslie, for example. The were pals from the theater. When they roomed together in college Leslie was a total slob and David was super neat and even though they were and still are friends they hated living in the same apartment.
* = Odd Couple references
(Plus, you have not seen it at its worst.)