So it's safe to wait for DVD? The bit in the trailer that most oersuades me to see it in the theater is the hot girl reclining on the couch. Are there many hot scenes of her acting hotly while doing hot things in her hotness?
So it's safe to wait for DVD? The bit in the trailer that most oersuades me to see it in the theater is the hot girl reclining on the couch. Are there many hot scenes of her acting hotly while doing hot things in her hotness?
I didn't think it was possible, but they actually managed to undersexualize Olivia Wilde.
There is a blonde chick who is hotter and surprisingly manages to wear tighter clothes.
But the big problem with the film is that there's no reason to give a shit about any of the characters. Oh, and the wide-ass gaping plot holes. And the general lack of innovation.
There are, however, two neato takes on the lightcycles that would make for a decent video game.
I didn't think it was possible, but they actually managed to undersexualize Olivia Wilde. There is a blonde chick who is hotter and surprisingly manages to wear tighter clothes.
I think it is the same size, but the blond actually has enough mass to fill it up. ^_~
I didn't think it was possible, but they actually managed to undersexualize Olivia Wilde.
I am displeased for this very fact.
My big problem with the movie is that there wern't enough fights. Also, I hate those kind of ambiguous answer lines (i.e. in responce to a question people often answer with something cryptic in order to fake like the movie has thought about the question hard enough) and this movie is full of them.
I didn't think it was possible, but they actually managed to undersexualize Olivia Wilde.
I am displeased for this very fact.
I think they undersexualized her on purpose. I know it's counter-intuitive compared to most modern movies, but think about it: She is supposed to be this crucially important character, but she is ignorant of the real world that she is helping flynn protect. She studies these authors and then she asks Flynn Jr. "Do you know him?". Flynn Jr. thinks she means "know of him", like any normal person would, but she really means if he knows him on a personal basis. She has no knowledge that the author is long dead. She does not know about sunrises or sunsets or the wind. She is the last of her kind and the last of Flynns big hopes. If she was too sexy, it would not have been a good fit for that role. That character needed to be wide eyed and innocent, not a femme fatale. This is probably the reason they gave her that stupid bowl hair cut.
That's my take on it.
I think it is the same size, but the blond actually has enough mass to fill it up. ^_~
I don't know if you missed it or not, but: Sam goes from being a going-nowhere loser to, in the end, agreeing to take over Encom; Quorra becomes an ACTUAL PERSON, which is a pretty big development for someone who was formerly comprised of bits; and Flynn, at the very end, gives up his philosophy of "do nothing and wait" and performs the ultimate sacrifice to save his son and the future.
Sure, the character development may not have been particularly profound - it's all pretty standard storytelling fare - but a story doesn't have to be innovative or earth-shattering to be enjoyable. The plot did what it needed to do.
And maybe I'm just weird, but I dug the bowl haircut. I dunno, I thought Olivia Wilde was pretty cute. I didn't go into this expecting sexy people; I entirely expected sexy cinematics, and that's what it delivered.
I will also say that seeing the movie also filled me with a burning desire to drive very fast down a dark, lonely stretch of freeway while blasting synth-laden power metal.
And let me tell you, it was totally the right thing to do.
I think what we have here is a problem where people go into a movie with the wrong expectations of what they are going to see. Clearly Pete enjoyed the movie better because he went in expecting a standard plot development with cool music and scenery. Jason, wanted a deep sci-fi tale exploring technological questions and realistic characters. :-p The movie was made for Pete's expectations and not Jason. Sometimes I wonder if it actually is the person watching the films fault for misjudging a movie such as this. Clearly the movie is a mass market action film with the guise of a more complex plot that doesn't really develop.
Personally I know I had the wrong expectations going into the film so quickly changed them and ended up enjoying a decent movie.
"As I've already suggested, TRON: Legacy contains within it a host of discrete films, and positions you can take, so that at the culmination of the experience you can enjoy the film or brood in the unassailable tower of your own intellect. That may sound facetious, that you can either agree with me or be a Goddamned twat, and these are the only choices available. What's true is that there are many valid ways to approach it, and not all of them leave the film entirely unscathed. I can answer any of the questions posed by the strip very simply, but at the same time I don't want to grant a writer something they haven't earned or paper over their relatively straightforward laziness with my own incalculable power. Scott's suggestion that the club represents Flynn's playlist was pretty funny, I thought."
NO. No. No. No. We've been over this type of thing before. No one wants to be a geek hipster, but there is such a thing as good and bad. Using your rubric, Labyrinth could be defended as a good movie - "Oh, I didn't want to ruin the movie by questioning it. I just wanted to go along for the awesome ride." "Oh, don't say that The Goonies was bad. That's just an indication that you're being a snob. The Goonies has to be appreciated for what it is. Just sit back and enjoy the ride." No. I refuse to fall prey to this. The Goonies is a bad, bad movie. It had no right to be made and every copy should be smashed into a million tiny fragments.
Dragonheart was bad. Willow was bad. The Dark Crystal was bad. All of the Star Wars prequels are bad. The Phantom Menace might be the worst movie of all time. The first Tron was bad. It looks like the second one is bad as well. Don't defend them by saying that they can be watchable if the viewer lowers his expectations.
Now, if you like them in spite of their badness, that's fine; but say that. Don't try to pull it off as though you're liking a good movie and everyone that doesn't like it is being a snob. I like Hudson Hawke and The Last Action Hero. I make no bones about this. I know they're bad, but I like them. I will always admit that I like them, but I will also always say that I like them despite the fact that they are very bad. What I won't do is say that people who don't like these movies are somehow being snobbish, because I know that they are bad.
How old were you when you saw that movie? Five? You have to take that into account. That movie might seem okay to a five-year old. I saw Marty when I was five, and I didn't realize what a bad movie it was until I saw again when I was seven and I had better taste.
I've seen it in recent memory. It's in my Netflix queue right now. I also have all of Jim Henson's The Storyteller in my queue. Magical shit, those puppets.
It's hard to believe that someone so vehemently againstEthan Fromecould tolerateThe Dark Crystal.
It's not that hard to imagine. The Dark Crystal is a hallmark of dark fantasy movies, released at a time when most fantasy stories were a bunch of happy drivel; the cinematic treatment gives the story a feel of urgency and grit, despite the fact that the story itself is otherwise quite simplistic.
Like I said, a movie need not have a complicated nor ground-breaking plot to be good. Storytelling involves more factors than just the story itself; the presentation of a tale can make all the difference in its impact on the audience. Such is the magic that Jim Henson pulled. So, no, I don't think The Dark Crystal is bad at all. In fact, I think it's better than most stories I see in movies today, and its presentation still holds up. Would the story hold up outside of a visual presentation? Probably not, but that is not a weakness of the story; we have different modes of storytelling for a reason.
Ethan Frome is just pointlessly grim and is irrelevant in a modern context.
WAIT A MINUTE. You call Tron a bad movie but you like Last Action Hero?! Last Action Hero is a decent movie, but Tron is at least 5x.
Read what I wrote again. Sure, I like Last Action Hero, but I'm not going to sit here and say that it was some sort of victory in the history of storytelling or that you simply don't understand the subtleties of its presentation or that someone who doesn't like it is a snob. I know it is a bad movie. I like it despite the fact that it is a bad movie. We all have our guilty little pleasures. Now, Tron is a bad movie. If you like Tron, fine; but don't go around saying that it's somehow groundbreaking and worthwhile or that it's a good story because it simply is not.
the cinematic treatment gives the story a feel of urgency and grit, despite the fact that the story itself is otherwise quite simplistic.
Well, I agree that the story is simplistic. It's simplistic to the point of being pablum. But, muppets are gritty? No, I can't follow you there.
As I said to Sail, if you like it, that's fine. If you try to justify it any further by saying that it's somehow actually good, you just undermine your own position.
I likeLast Action Herothat it was some sort of victory in the history of storytelling or that you simply don't understand the subtleties of its presentation.
If you likeTron, fine; but don't go around saying that it's somehow groundbreaking and worthwhile or that it's a good story because it simply is not.
Are you referring to the new movie or the original? I mean, I think both are bad, but enjoyable despite their badness. I'm pretty sure that's what every review has said and every point that everyone has made.
I wasn't talking about lowering your expectations going into Tron: Legacy. That implies that one form of movie is necessarily superior to another. My point was that you should go see Tron: Legacy if you're looking to get from it what it intends to present. If you want to get something it never intended to present, then you will be disappointed.
I think that's what Tycho means about "either you like it or you're a twat."
But, muppets are gritty? No, I can't follow you there.
They're otherworldy and creepy. Maybe they're not hard-boiled like Bruce Willis walking over broken glass, but they bring their own atmosphere to the film. That's the whole point of using puppets in a movie; they add a truly alien quality to the setting.
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There is a blonde chick who is hotter and surprisingly manages to wear tighter clothes.
But the big problem with the film is that there's no reason to give a shit about any of the characters. Oh, and the wide-ass gaping plot holes. And the general lack of innovation.
There are, however, two neato takes on the lightcycles that would make for a decent video game.
My big problem with the movie is that there wern't enough fights. Also, I hate those kind of ambiguous answer lines (i.e. in responce to a question people often answer with something cryptic in order to fake like the movie has thought about the question hard enough) and this movie is full of them.
That's my take on it. That siren was very sexy indeed.
Sure, the character development may not have been particularly profound - it's all pretty standard storytelling fare - but a story doesn't have to be innovative or earth-shattering to be enjoyable. The plot did what it needed to do.
And maybe I'm just weird, but I dug the bowl haircut. I dunno, I thought Olivia Wilde was pretty cute. I didn't go into this expecting sexy people; I entirely expected sexy cinematics, and that's what it delivered.
I will also say that seeing the movie also filled me with a burning desire to drive very fast down a dark, lonely stretch of freeway while blasting synth-laden power metal.
And let me tell you, it was totally the right thing to do.
Personally I know I had the wrong expectations going into the film so quickly changed them and ended up enjoying a decent movie.
"As I've already suggested, TRON: Legacy contains within it a host of discrete films, and positions you can take, so that at the culmination of the experience you can enjoy the film or brood in the unassailable tower of your own intellect. That may sound facetious, that you can either agree with me or be a Goddamned twat, and these are the only choices available. What's true is that there are many valid ways to approach it, and not all of them leave the film entirely unscathed. I can answer any of the questions posed by the strip very simply, but at the same time I don't want to grant a writer something they haven't earned or paper over their relatively straightforward laziness with my own incalculable power. Scott's suggestion that the club represents Flynn's playlist was pretty funny, I thought."
Figured Tycho summed it up better.
Dragonheart was bad. Willow was bad. The Dark Crystal was bad. All of the Star Wars prequels are bad. The Phantom Menace might be the worst movie of all time. The first Tron was bad. It looks like the second one is bad as well. Don't defend them by saying that they can be watchable if the viewer lowers his expectations.
Now, if you like them in spite of their badness, that's fine; but say that. Don't try to pull it off as though you're liking a good movie and everyone that doesn't like it is being a snob. I like Hudson Hawke and The Last Action Hero. I make no bones about this. I know they're bad, but I like them. I will always admit that I like them, but I will also always say that I like them despite the fact that they are very bad. What I won't do is say that people who don't like these movies are somehow being snobbish, because I know that they are bad.
I am amused how many of these films I actually like.
It's hard to believe that someone so vehemently against Ethan Frome could tolerate The Dark Crystal.
Like I said, a movie need not have a complicated nor ground-breaking plot to be good. Storytelling involves more factors than just the story itself; the presentation of a tale can make all the difference in its impact on the audience. Such is the magic that Jim Henson pulled. So, no, I don't think The Dark Crystal is bad at all. In fact, I think it's better than most stories I see in movies today, and its presentation still holds up. Would the story hold up outside of a visual presentation? Probably not, but that is not a weakness of the story; we have different modes of storytelling for a reason.
Ethan Frome is just pointlessly grim and is irrelevant in a modern context.
WAIT A MINUTE. You call Tron a bad movie but you like Last Action Hero?! Last Action Hero is a decent movie, but Tron is at least 5x.
Last Action Hero was at least a decently-done parody film.
As I said to Sail, if you like it, that's fine. If you try to justify it any further by saying that it's somehow actually good, you just undermine your own position.
I wasn't talking about lowering your expectations going into Tron: Legacy. That implies that one form of movie is necessarily superior to another. My point was that you should go see Tron: Legacy if you're looking to get from it what it intends to present. If you want to get something it never intended to present, then you will be disappointed.
I think that's what Tycho means about "either you like it or you're a twat." They're otherworldy and creepy. Maybe they're not hard-boiled like Bruce Willis walking over broken glass, but they bring their own atmosphere to the film. That's the whole point of using puppets in a movie; they add a truly alien quality to the setting.