But seriously, I get how light cycles work on the grid. Reality doesn't really have to apply there. But in our world? How the hell would light cycles make trails?
But seriously, I get how light cycles work on the grid. Reality doesn't really have to apply there. But in our world? How the hell would light cycles make trails?
But seriously, I get how light cycles work on the grid. Reality doesn't really have to apply there. But in our world? How the hell would light cycles make trails?
~MAGIC~
This is TRON not MLP. Things must be explained away by science, not magic, in this 'verse. Even if it's movie science.
But seriously, I get how light cycles work on the grid. Reality doesn't really have to apply there. But in our world? How the hell would light cycles make trails?
See my previous post. I am willing to give in to the magic of the grid but IRL light cycles...?
Must.......keep.......science from.......imploding my brain!
But seriously, I get how light cycles work on the grid. Reality doesn't really have to apply there. But in our world? How the hell would light cycles make trails?
Our world is just a slightly more abstract layer than The Grid. We're in a computer man. A big one. It's the Matrix, only without the weaboo fightan' magicks.
But seriously, I get how light cycles work on the grid. Reality doesn't really have to apply there. But in our world? How the hell would light cycles make trails?
~MAGIC~
This is TRON not MLP. Things must be explained away by science, not magic, in this 'verse. Even if it's movie science.
Except for the fact that Kevin Flynn is a freaking Jedi at the end of Legacy. I can understand some of the stuff he does, but force pull? Seriously?
Except for the fact that Kevin Flynn is a freaking Jedi at the end of Legacy. I can understand some of the stuff he does, but force pull? Seriously?
Which is why the movie ultimately sucked. Flynn's power was gimped for no real reason. He was the creator and builder of the world. He was Neo. But for some reason he was impotent. Why?
Which is why the movie ultimately sucked. Flynn's power was gimped for no real reason. He was the creator and builder of the world. He was Neo. But for some reason he was impotent. Why?
The whole Jedi thing didn't really ruin the movie for me, it just cemented the idea that Flynn was literally the god of the Grid.
Except for the fact that Kevin Flynn is a freaking Jedi at the end of Legacy. I can understand some of the stuff he does, but force pull? Seriously?
Visual in-film representation aside, it's not that large a stretch of the imagination that The User is able to force his program to merge back into the main system. Clu is after all subservient to him. Especially after it has been stated before that he can do that.
Which is why the movie ultimately sucked. Flynn's power was gimped for no real reason. He was the creator and builder of the world. He was Neo. But for some reason he was impotent. Why?
Was it not stated that he discovered The Grid? He certainly didn't create it, it was already there before he ever got digitalized.
Nearly powerless? He can regrow limbs, reprogram programs into doing what he wants, and create entire worlds!
Ostensibly. But he can't even kill off one program that he made. He's hunted and forced into exile in his own world. A god wouldn't be able to die by his creation's hand. Some god.
Ostensibly. But he can't even kill off one program that he made. He's hunted and forced into exile in his own world. A god wouldn't be able to die by his creation's hand. Some god.
I feel like if Flynn is god, CLU 2.0 is the devil. SPOILARZ: Also, the only way to get rid of CLU from the inside is to reincorporate him, and we all saw how well that worked out for Flynn./SPOILARZ
Ostensibly. But he can't even kill off one program that he made. He's hunted and forced into exile in his own world. A god wouldn't be able to die by his creation's hand. Some god.
I feel like if Flynn is god, CLU 2.0 is the devil. SPOILARZ: Also, the only way to get rid of CLU from the inside is to reincorporate him, and we all saw how well that worked out for Flynn./SPOILARZ
Gods that have restrictions that cause them to be ineffective, exiled, dead, or the victim of their own creations are not gods. Would you worship a god whose hands were tied?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? — Epicurus
Jason, you have a very strange view of gods. Not all gods follow the modern Christian, Jewish or Islamic traditions of being all powerful. There are plenty of other kinds of gods out there, and if you look in the Bible, you'll find that your stated qualifications would mean that Jehovah would fail too, according to most of what is written about him.
Jason, you have a very strange view of gods. Not all gods follow the modern Christian, Jewish or Islamic traditions of being all powerful. There are plenty of other kinds of gods out there, and if you look in the Bible, you'll find that your stated qualifications would mean that Jehovah would fail too, according to most of what is written about him.
A god demands worship. You'd have to be pretty damned cool for me to worship you.
Flynn is the creator and that's an established fact. Depending on your depiction, definition, or opinion on what a god actually is then he may or may not be considered one. Also, among the programs within the world, there are probably those who worship him. However he is not a deity even though he may have some powers. Another flaw is that he is still a single human being instead of being a "godly" omniscient existence.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? — Epicurus
I agree with you about the "God/Satan" interaction not making sense from a standpoint of omnipotence. However, that is the dynamic of "god" with which most people are familiar, so irrespective of any particular issues with that story setup, it's really the best way to get the point across to an audience.
Is that necessarily so? Is that really a god-requirement? Are there possibly any gods that just kind of mind their own business without getting into the worship thing?
Are superheroes gods, or at least demigods? What makes a god or demigod? Is one superpower enough, or do they need to have reality-altering multiple powers? Does Superman qualify as a god? Does Spiderman possibly qualify as a demigod?
This could go around in circles for eternity. The dictionary doesn't help: God is the Supreme Being or a person or object that is deified. That only begs the question of what is a supreme being or deity.
I guess what you have to ask yourself is, what would a god have to be or do to earn the title? What attributes are the bare minimum for godhood?
I guess what you have to ask yourself is, what would a god have to be or do to earn the title? What attributes are the bare minimum for godhood?
I'm pretty sure that, if Superman stories had been around in Greek, Roman, or Norse times, they would have had all the god trappings. Superman would have been considered more god-like than Hercules, surely. Isn't Thor (or maybe Sigurd or Siegfried), for all intents and purposes a Norse Superman? Lots of gods had just a little sphere of influence, so it's kind of tempting to think of some culture considering Spiderman to be some sort of spider-god.
Superman has defeated Lex Luthor on any number of occasions only by luck or caprice. Does that mean that Lex's ability to harness technology and become virtually Superman's equal makes him a god as well? Does that by extension mean we're all gods since technology is such a weaponizable force? And QED the definition of god is meaningless, since we can all achieve "godhood?"
Superman has defeated Lex Luthor on any number of occasions only by luck or caprice. Does that mean that Lex's ability to harness technology and become virtually Superman's equal makes him a god as well?
Well, like Luke said, I'm not talking about Yahweh-like omnipotence. I'm talking more of the classical Graeco-Roman pantheon, or possibly the Norse, Chinese, or Egyptian pantheons. They all had gods who suffered defeats and who sometimes had their desires and plans frustrated by humans.
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
— Epicurus
Are superheroes gods, or at least demigods? What makes a god or demigod? Is one superpower enough, or do they need to have reality-altering multiple powers? Does Superman qualify as a god? Does Spiderman possibly qualify as a demigod?
I guess what you have to ask yourself is, what would a god have to be or do to earn the title? What attributes are the bare minimum for godhood?