Premier is such a pain in the ass. I've found Sony Vegas to be much more usable.
Vegas has a lot of its own problems.
What parts do you find to be a "pain in the ass" specifically? Also, you're on CS6 right? 4 is garbage
Ah, no, I was on CS4. It was unnaturally slow and crashy, even on my high-powered rig. Perhaps I'll give CS6 a shot. Don't know what you mean about Vegas, though. I've not had any problems.
Premier is such a pain in the ass. I've found Sony Vegas to be much more usable.
Vegas has a lot of its own problems.
What parts do you find to be a "pain in the ass" specifically? Also, you're on CS6 right? 4 is garbage
Ah, no, I was on CS4. It was unnaturally slow and crashy, even on my high-powered rig. Perhaps I'll give CS6 a shot. Don't know what you mean about Vegas, though. I've not had any problems.
Vegas isn't going to give me color grading, advanced compositing, and the like. It's the integration between Premiere, After Effects, Speed Grade, and Media Encoder that seals the deal for me.
In terms of slowness, be aware that CS6 will slow down even on uber hardware if you're streaming multiple HD videos with effects (like scaling) simultaneously. You need videocard acceleration even on powerful PCs to make that work smoothly, and that really only happens with Premiere and certain nvidia cards (with CUDA support).
The cheap version of Vegas doesn't do masks. So that's pretty terrible. The expensive version is not much better, but does masking. Cept it costs a bunch. Premier does do color grading better, and deals with formats better. But there are stand alone color grading applications that do a much better job, and stand alone compositing programs that also do a better job than Premier. Far far better. I can't really see Premier being worth a Adobe subscription alone.
But when you add in all the Adobe stuff we use between the two of us, it really makes sense for us to get the whole deal. I use Flash, Photoshop, Illustrator, and After Effects a ton, and Rym uses Premier and Audition, but we use a bunch of the other stuff off and on as well.
It makes sense for you to get the subscription for yourself and for Rym to use the things available to him for free because of it. The way your phrase it makes it sound like you need it equally. Premier and After Effects are inferior to competitors, while Photoshop isn't, and while I'm uneducated within the field, I also believe Flash/Illustrator-combo is still king in vector animation.
Yeah, while After Effects may not be the best compositing tool on the market, not gonna pay for Nuke anytime soon. Basically, for the price of an old copy of Photoshop, you get everything for a year, so I can't complain about that. What would be your rec as far as Video editing, then? Final Cut wouldn't work for obvious reasons, and AVID products are a little out of a hobbyist's budget.
Pirate Avid, Nuke and Shake =P If you don't want to pirate, Novacut and Blender are both free and very promising, although rough in their current state. Novacut speeds up my workflow a bunch, and works perfectly over the network; but even though I like the bare-ness, it's still a bit too bare. Its also buggy as fuck. Blender has recently added a bunch of compositing features I haven't had the time to play around with yet, but they look competent. The problem here is that if you don't already work in Blender, nothing will make sense. And even if you do, nothing makes sense.
Pirate Avid, Nuke and Shake =P If you don't want to pirate, Novacut and Blender are both free and very promising, although rough in their current state. Novacut speeds up my workflow a bunch, and works perfectly over the network; but even though I like the bare-ness, it's still a bit too bare. Its also buggy as fuck. Blender has recently added a bunch of compositing features I haven't had the time to play around with yet, but they look competent. The problem here is that if you don't already work in Blender, nothing will make sense. And even if you do, nothing makes sense.
You don't worry about watermarks in your renders? I'm not anti-piracy as a rule, I just try to go legit when the things I am creating are professional. I suppose Rym could pirate, but malware concerns still figure into it. Those open source solutions are great, but if I have the pro Adobe suite which is fine for most of my needs, why bother? I do use Blender from time to time on my home PC, and it's pretty decent, but I'm kinda a fan of the interoperability of Creative Suite products. I jump from Photoshop to After effects to Premier and it just works.
I don't really. Those watermarks won't go away if I have a legit version, they'll just say a different serial number. But if work is paying, you let work pay, that is the case for most things =P For Novacut and Blender, while I do like them a lot more than I should, simply for being open source, I do also straight up think they're better alternatives for clipping and for compositing 3D stuff into live action footage respectively.
For color grading, specialized color grading utilities are usually the way to go. I can't argue against jumping between the applications though. It doesn't make sense for Rym, 'cause he never needs After Effects. For both of you together, since you already pay for it, it makes total sense.
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Don't know what you mean about Vegas, though. I've not had any problems.
In terms of slowness, be aware that CS6 will slow down even on uber hardware if you're streaming multiple HD videos with effects (like scaling) simultaneously. You need videocard acceleration even on powerful PCs to make that work smoothly, and that really only happens with Premiere and certain nvidia cards (with CUDA support).
What would be your rec as far as Video editing, then? Final Cut wouldn't work for obvious reasons, and AVID products are a little out of a hobbyist's budget.
I love this artist's work.
Those open source solutions are great, but if I have the pro Adobe suite which is fine for most of my needs, why bother? I do use Blender from time to time on my home PC, and it's pretty decent, but I'm kinda a fan of the interoperability of Creative Suite products. I jump from Photoshop to After effects to Premier and it just works.
For color grading, specialized color grading utilities are usually the way to go. I can't argue against jumping between the applications though. It doesn't make sense for Rym, 'cause he never needs After Effects. For both of you together, since you already pay for it, it makes total sense.
I also use Photoshop and Audition, plus InDesign, on both my laptop and my PC. Thus, I have my own separate cloud subscription. ;^)
Not everything I do or work on is talked about on GeekNights or this forum. ^_~
edit: Alright, love and tolerance in this thread. My bad.
Now that I've posted that, my money's on bacon.