Well, I think Derpy is a clear winner for the Tertiary category. I guess we need to be clear on a couple of matters, though: 1) Is Rainbow Dash included or not? 2) Is it ponies only or any characters from the show?
Applejack is so badass that her achievement was to ask for help during one of the rare times when she couldn't keep up with everything!
I can't see that as an achievement. I guess you could call the damage she caused in that episode an achievement, though.
That episode is my favorite episode. But you can use Applejack for basically every situation. (Except Flying) She's funny, she's kind, she's competitive and she does an important duty for Ponyville. She's just the best all-around pony for any situation, like Mario in his Sports Games. She's just consistently and always a great friend/pony in need.
2) Is it ponies only or any characters from the show?
The title of the thread answers this.
Granted, but the thread title does not 100% describe everything in a thread, nor is it prudent to make a new thread solely for evaluation of Spike's merits as a character. Nonetheless, we were discussing the categories set out by jtvh, who said
In my household, we've been picking favorites at three levels: Primary (not counting RD), Secondary, and Tertiary Ponies, with categories based on amount of screen time.
The point of that episode is that she normally achieves most of those things without failing; in fact, she is supposed to be the best at them. When you're already making A+ on every assignment, it's pretty hard to raise your achievement level. It's only remarkable when you fail at something. Hence the episode about asking for help.
I guess you could call the damage she caused in that episode an achievement, though.
Cause the bunny stampede was so damaging.
What pony has caused more damage through negligence or intent?
The point of that episode is that she normally achieves most of those things without failing; in fact, she is supposed to be the best at them. When you're already making A+ on every assignment, it's pretty hard to raise your achievement level.
That's a good point. Applejack deserves plenty of points for general consistency and reliability. Though all of the other ponies have achieved far greater feats, that doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't fail miserably if a similar situation occurred.
It's only remarkable when you fail at something. Hence the episode about asking for help.
The thing is, in that episode Applejack displayed willful ignorance of her own failures, and she did so for several days before asking for help.
How much damage did Nightmare Moon actually cause? I can't remember anything significant. Or do you think moustache destruction is worse than a rabbit stampede?
Fluttershy through negligently bringing a parasprite to town.
Yeah, I thought of this as well, but I wanted to word my question so as to exclude it. I don't think it's a fair comparison, since parasprites were hardly common knowledge - only Pinkie Pie had any clue at all.
In a court of law, I posit that Applejack should be liable for much of the damage she caused, but Fluttershy should not.
In a court of law, I posit that Applejack should be liable for much of the damage she caused, but Fluttershy should not.
Well yeah, since Applejack had notice of the harm she was causing (via Twilight's many warnings) and Fluttershy did not (because Pinkie never actually told anybody WTF she was doing). It's really not a fair comparison. Applejack is definitely stubborn, but I think we all get like that every now and then. The most important thing is to acknowledge the damage is your fault and to make it right, which Applejack did at the end of the episode.
Are Snips and Snails responsible for more damage than Applejack? I think Applejack beats out Nightmare Moon and Fluttershy, but I suspect those two might have her beat.
Oh, and Applejack was responsible for much more than just a rabbit stampede. She made some ponies very sick with those cupcakes, and that's serious business, more so than most of the mere destruction of property other ponies are responsible for.
Also, Pinkie Pie is responsible for quite a lot of damage to Twilight Sparkle. How many times was she hit in Feeling Pinkie Keen as a result of Pinkie Pie's "predictions"? Quite a lot, it seems to me.
Given the strong levels of support for Rainbow Dash, I think the conversation gets much more interesting if you leave her out.
2) Is it ponies only or any characters from the show?
The title of the thread answers this.
Granted, but the thread title does not 100% describe everything in a thread, nor is it prudent to make a new thread solely for evaluation of Spike's merits as a character. Nonetheless, we were discussing the categories set out by jtvh, who said
In my household, we've been picking favorites at three levels: Primary (not counting RD), Secondary, and Tertiary Ponies, with categories based on amount of screen time.
so the implication is that Spike is not included.
I'd agree with that implication.
Which perhaps isn't entirely fair to Spike, since he gets plenty of screen time even without being a Pony. But as we know, life is perilously unfair.
How many times was she hit in Feeling Pinkie Keen as a result of Pinkie Pie's "predictions"? Quite a lot, it seems to me.
No, Twilight got hit because she failed to heed Pinkie Pie's warnings. Pinkie Pie did her due diligence; you can't hold her responsible because someone chose to ignore her warnings.
It's more reasonable to posit that Pinkie Pie is actually causing these events rather than predicting them in some retrocausal manner.
Pinkie Pie has a lot of hair. There very well could be a horn under there.
If she did, why did she have to go through all stuff like hop on a trampoline, use balloons, and what not to hang out with Rainbow Dash in the griffin episode?
If she was a unicorn, she could have easily used magic to have her fly/levitate/float.
Not once did I see Pinkie's predictions actually averted.
Once again, that's Twilight Sparkle's fault, not Pinkie Pie's. I'll note that the people who listened to Pinkie Pie did not get doors in their faces.
It's more reasonable to posit that Pinkie Pie is actually causing these events rather than predicting them in some retrocausal manner.
No, because you have no evidence that she is causing those events. The extent of the evidence we have indicates that she is a predictor of those events. The mechanism of prediction is unknown, and until that is investigated, we have no idea as to whether she knows or if she's actually responsible for the occurrences.
It's more reasonable to posit that Pinkie Pie is actually causing these events rather than predicting them in some retrocausal manner.
Pinkie Pie has a lot of hair. There very well could be a horn under there.
She could be a mutant. Maybe some earth ponies have vestigial horns that aren't obviously apparent, causing unpredictable magical effects.
OR, maybe all ponies have some innate magic, but the horn simply focuses it. Non-unicorn ponies have a general magical affect around them due to the diffuse nature of their undirected magic, while unicorns can control and direct it to achieve specific ends.
If she was a unicorn, she could have easily used magic to have her fly/levitate/float.
Not even close. All unicorns except Twilight, Celestia, and presumably Luna, have really shitty and weak magical powers. Rarity knows two spells, telekinesis and locate gems. Trixie knows magic rope and prestidigitation. If Twilight has to use a hot air balloon to get around, no way can Pinkie fly with the power of her own horn. Opening doors, however, is something any unicorn should be able to do.
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I guess we need to be clear on a couple of matters, though:
1) Is Rainbow Dash included or not?
2) Is it ponies only or any characters from the show?
I guess you could call the damage she caused in that episode an achievement, though.
Nonetheless, we were discussing the categories set out by jtvh, who said so the implication is that Spike is not included.
Or do you think moustache destruction is worse than a rabbit stampede? Yeah, I thought of this as well, but I wanted to word my question so as to exclude it. I don't think it's a fair comparison, since parasprites were hardly common knowledge - only Pinkie Pie had any clue at all.
In a court of law, I posit that Applejack should be liable for much of the damage she caused, but Fluttershy should not.
Also, Pinkie Pie is responsible for quite a lot of damage to Twilight Sparkle. How many times was she hit in Feeling Pinkie Keen as a result of Pinkie Pie's "predictions"? Quite a lot, it seems to me.
Which perhaps isn't entirely fair to Spike, since he gets plenty of screen time even without being a Pony. But as we know, life is perilously unfair.
It's more reasonable to posit that Pinkie Pie is actually causing these events rather than predicting them in some retrocausal manner.
If she was a unicorn, she could have easily used magic to have her fly/levitate/float.
OR, maybe all ponies have some innate magic, but the horn simply focuses it. Non-unicorn ponies have a general magical affect around them due to the diffuse nature of their undirected magic, while unicorns can control and direct it to achieve specific ends.