So what does the FRC think of the so called "Red Shift"; the claim that there is a correlation between reported votes being remarkably different than the exit polls in the favour of the Republican party in districts where electronic voting machines that have no paper records are used?
There also seems to be a lot of reports of systematic disenfranchisement of voting demographics generally considered to be pro-Democrat in Florida or Ohio and the GOP narrative that registering poor people to vote is fraud because poor people will probably vote Democrat.
There's lots of this stuff coming through reddit by way of places like Rolling Stone, Huffington Post, Fire Dog Lake, Daily Kos, etc. These are all pretty hard left sources but one could probably argue that just about every mainstream source is at least centre-right to hard right or just straight up autistic when it comes to class warfare (at least when it's being waged on poor people).
Now, if I were a generally "evil" wing-nut political party used to playing the long game and wanted to steal elections, I wouldn't just do it in one way; I'd hoard those petty advantages and win by a slim margin, not an obvious North Korean style 110% blow-out.
Since I'm generally a left leaning cynical pessimist, stuff like this flatters my already established beliefs, which is why I know it SHOULD be sceptical... and is also why I'm not really.
Total Crap? Conspiracy Theory? More possible than is comfortable?
I think the Red Shift is too old to be fraud. IIRC, it's been going on since the end of Eisenhower. Given how many shifts in party control it would have to survive through, I doubt it could be a conspiracy.
I'm highly skeptical about any kind of conspiracy, but I absolutely do not trust closed-source, zero-accountability voting machines. Especially when they aren'tverysecure.
So I was looking through my ballot tonight and I was able to make decisions on pretty much everyone on my ballot with the exception of the people running for Sheriff. What would you recommend looking for in a Sheriff policy wise?
Took me half an hour to get the absentee ballot because their printer was broken. Which is a good thing because early voting was closed in Florida today 11/5 because of "budge cuts".
Since I'm not able to influence the U.S. election by voting myself, I hereby urge each and every american in this forum to go out and vote. Please go out today and vote.
If I was running ,instead of voter fraud, I'd just get guys to go to areas with high concentrations of people voting for my opponent and be like "Why go out and vote....When you can have free weeeed and piiiiizzzzza!" Or whatever would apply to that demographic.
No. For one, I do believe everyone has the right to vote and should vote. And more importantly, even if people like Jack go to vote and vote Republican, if enough people vote people like him will be drowned out.
There is absolutely no way that 50% or more of the U.S. is Republican. I am very sure that Democrats outnumber them every easily. The problem is getting those Democrats to vote, and it is also the reason why Republicans are continuously trying to make it harder and harder to vote. They know that if an actual majority of the eligible citizenry voted, they would lose each and every election.
If I was running ,instead of voter fraud, I'd just get guys to go to areas with high concentrations of people voting for my opponent and be like "Why go out and vote....When you can have free weeeed and piiiiizzzzza!" Or whatever would apply to that demographic.
That is cutting it very close on vote buying. I remember a news story during the 2008 election cycle (I believe) where Michael Moore was given trouble because he was giving Ramen to college students who pledged to go vote on election day.
No. For one, I do believe everyone has the right to vote and should vote. And more importantly, even if people like Jack go to vote and vote Republican, if enough people vote people like him will be drowned out.
I was kidding.
Presumably, Jack thinks he knows what's at stake and thinks he's doing the right thing; that's the best one can expect.
If I was running ,instead of voter fraud, I'd just get guys to go to areas with high concentrations of people voting for my opponent and be like "Why go out and vote....When you can have free weeeed and piiiiizzzzza!" Or whatever would apply to that demographic.
That is cutting it very close on vote buying. I remember a news story during the 2008 election cycle (I believe) where Michael Moore was given trouble because he was giving Ramen to college students who pledged to go vote on election day.
To be fair, Michael Moore is a fuckin' scumbag, and wouldn't think twice about breaking the law to make people vote democrat and/or whatever party he prefers, if he thought he could get away with it.
There is absolutely no way that 50% or more of the U.S. is Republican. I am very sure that Democrats outnumber them every easily. The problem is getting those Democrats to vote, and it is also the reason why Republicans are continuously trying to make it harder and harder to vote. They know that if an actual majority of the eligible citizenry voted, they would lose each and every election.
I have a problem with this idea. I don't think there are more Democrats, but there are more people who, if voting was compulsory, would vote for the Democrats. I think voting for Republicans makes you a Republican, as part of the Republican identity is political support. The default non-Republican position is "leaning towards progressive/liberal" and not identifying with one specific party, though Democrat is probably the best pragmatic fit.
There are two precincts at my polling location: One for a high-pop city section and one for a low-pop township section. I happen to live in a development just inside the township.
One line is always far longer than the other.
So when I went to vote this morning, I got to strut in, zip past the long-ass city line that stretched out the door with a two-to-three-hour wait, waltz to the front, tap-a-tap-a-tap-a on the screen, and leave.
My entire voting time: Six minutes.
Those baleful looks from the long line were worth it, but I pressed my luck on the way out by giving all the waiting oldsters a big smile and thumbs up along with a cheerful, "VOTE OBAMA!"
There are a ridiculous number of amendments up for voting in Florida (11) and most of them are utter shit. The best are to neuter our supreme court and to give government funding to religious institutions.
I know the DOJ and other groups can watch for shenanigans at polling places, but what about afterwards when the votes are collected from all over the state? Is there anybody making sure nobody simply changes numbers in a spreadsheet?
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There also seems to be a lot of reports of systematic disenfranchisement of voting demographics generally considered to be pro-Democrat in Florida or Ohio and the GOP narrative that registering poor people to vote is fraud because poor people will probably vote Democrat.
There's lots of this stuff coming through reddit by way of places like Rolling Stone, Huffington Post, Fire Dog Lake, Daily Kos, etc. These are all pretty hard left sources but one could probably argue that just about every mainstream source is at least centre-right to hard right or just straight up autistic when it comes to class warfare (at least when it's being waged on poor people).
Now, if I were a generally "evil" wing-nut political party used to playing the long game and wanted to steal elections, I wouldn't just do it in one way; I'd hoard those petty advantages and win by a slim margin, not an obvious North Korean style 110% blow-out.
Since I'm generally a left leaning cynical pessimist, stuff like this flatters my already established beliefs, which is why I know it SHOULD be sceptical... and is also why I'm not really.
Total Crap? Conspiracy Theory? More possible than is comfortable?
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There is absolutely no way that 50% or more of the U.S. is Republican. I am very sure that Democrats outnumber them every easily. The problem is getting those Democrats to vote, and it is also the reason why Republicans are continuously trying to make it harder and harder to vote. They know that if an actual majority of the eligible citizenry voted, they would lose each and every election.
Presumably, Jack thinks he knows what's at stake and thinks he's doing the right thing; that's the best one can expect.
One line is always far longer than the other.
So when I went to vote this morning, I got to strut in, zip past the long-ass city line that stretched out the door with a two-to-three-hour wait, waltz to the front, tap-a-tap-a-tap-a on the screen, and leave.
My entire voting time: Six minutes.
Those baleful looks from the long line were worth it, but I pressed my luck on the way out by giving all the waiting oldsters a big smile and thumbs up along with a cheerful, "VOTE OBAMA!"
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED.
I don't think you are allowed to say "VOTE OBAMA!" inside the polling location.