Can we not start victim-blaming here? That's not a very nice thing to do.
I'd giving him the benefit of the doubt, I don't think that was his intention - and, as I said, it's not the worst advice around, it's not even the worst advice in this thread. It's just not great, maybe not so well put, nor really terribly applicable right now, and certainly not the kind of advice that was sought - but I don't think it was at all ill-intentioned, nor do I think Rym really went out of his way to generally blame victims of violent crime.
Can we not start victim-blaming here? That's not a very nice thing to do.
I'd giving him the benefit of the doubt, I don't think that was his intention - and, as I said, it's not the worst advice around, it's not even the worst advice in this thread. It's just not great, maybe not so well put, nor really terribly applicable right now, and certainly not the kind of advice that was sought.
I'll admit, I was jumping the gun a bit with the victim-blaming interpretation. I'm just getting too used to seeing it on reddit and I really don't want those kinds of arguments on this forum.
I'll admit, I was jumping the gun a bit with the victim-blaming interpretation. I'm just getting too used to seeing it on reddit and I really don't want those kinds of arguments on this forum.
It's cool, I can see where you got the idea - but on the other hand, I don't think Rym is the Victim blaming sort, at least, he's not really expressed an opinion that would indicate as such in the past, that I've observed.
And I'm sick to the eye teeth with them on reddit, just as you are - they're less likely here, due to the differing nature of this forum, but I certainly would hate to see one start.
Most of you were starting to give advice on self-defense, guns, etc... That is the last and least likely avenue of accomplishing anything in a situation like this.
More generally, young men talk and ponder a great deal about their plans should they ever be in a dangerous situation involving weapons, greatly out of proportion to the actual likelihood of any such event. Any time you think that the advice you're about to give someone involves a weapon of any kind, reconsider your advice. You're never going to be shot at. No one with a gun is ever going to mug you. Gangbangers aren't going to trap you in an alley.
More generally, young men talk and ponder a great deal about their plans should they ever be in a dangerous situation involving weapons, greatly out of proportion to the actual likelihood of any such event. Any time you think that the advice you're about to give someone involves a weapon of any kind, reconsider your advice. You're never going to be shot at. No one with a gun is ever going to mug you. Gangbangers aren't going to trap you in an alley.
This is why I hate nerds. Your "if I was ever getting mugged I'd just pull out my concealed carry" plan is about as likely to ever be enacted as your "this is how I'd survive the zombie apocalypse" plan.
But I can't hate too much. Hearing nerds talk about how GUNS IS SELF-DEFENSE is like a real-time 21 Foot Rule feed. It allows for many luls.
But I can't hate too much. Hearing nerds talk about how GUNS IS SELF-DEFENSE is like a real-time 21 Foot Rule feed. It allows for many luls.
Bonus points when it's obvious that all of their gun knowledge comes from CounterStrike and/or Battlefield. Space bonus points when they use the fake names for said guns in said games.
I'm thinking of getting a shitty decoy wallet that I just keep a little cash in, so if I ever got mugged I would just give them that.
But yeah, on the topic of this thread, just call some professionals.
The decoy wallet is one of the best ideas, just keep about 20 dollars in lose bills as well as an old ID, although these days they still will take your phone and sometimes your keys if they are real assholes.
I see nothing wrong with having a firearm on my person. Best case I never use it.
Odds are a firearm would escalate any situation rather than solve it.
Most of you were starting to give advice on self-defense, guns, etc... That is the last and least likely avenue of accomplishing anything in a situation like this.
Well, to be fair, my advice was "Don't have just one plan that relies on one thing you do working every time" because shit happens, and if you do and that one thing fails, you're fucked. Pretty good advice generally, by my assessment, since if you set out a specific plan to achieve a specific goal, or prevent a specific outcome, if you don't have some sort of basic contingency plan in mind, then you're thrown as soon as you hit your first obstacle. It's basic enough to fall under common sense.
Looking back at the original post in this thread, and then the direction it took, most of the advice is pretty useless(if not outright dangerous) and not what was being sought.
More generally, young men talk and ponder a great deal about their plans should they ever be in a dangerous situation involving weapons, greatly out of proportion to the actual likelihood of any such event. Any time you think that the advice you're about to give someone involves a weapon of any kind, reconsider your advice. You're never going to be shot at. No one with a gun is ever going to mug you. Gangbangers aren't going to trap you in an alley.
Explain to me how this makes your advice any more useful or relevant? In fact, the sentence "Any time you think that the advice you're about to give someone involves a weapon of any kind, reconsider your advice" is the best and most useful advisory you've given so far, despite not being relevant to the original post.
I'd be like, seriously dude, you're mugging me? Ok, I'll give you the cash, but nothing else I have will do you any good. You don't want my credit cards, they will track you if you use them, and I'll disable them when I get home. You don't want my phone, it is locked and has GPS, I'll find you. You don't want my keys. You don't even know what they open, and I have spares, and I'll change all the locks. Just take my cash and go.
That's my plan, too. Try to talk myself out of the situation. In the case of scary rapist, that's when I bust out the violence. Most people who get mugged are just stopped and made to fork over their cash. Sometimes there is the case of someone like the guy who got shot in his leg because he would not give up his iPhone, or my old co-worker who got randomly stabbed by strangers in San Francisco, probably as some sort of gang test, but those are very rare. Most muggers want quick money and no trouble.
If you said that to me and I was a mugging you, I'd take all your shit, break your phone in front of your face. Then keep your credit cards just to spite you for the inconvenience and hassle of replacing everything.
Odds are a firearm would escalate any situation rather than solve it.
Rule 1 of firearm carry for civilians is that you don't pull your gun until you intend to use lethal force. It's draw, aim, fire, preferably in under 1.5 seconds as that's where the 21 foot rule came from.
If someone tried to mug me, I would talk to them.
I'd be like, seriously dude, you're mugging me? Ok, I'll give you the cash, but nothing else I have will do you any good. You don't want my credit cards, they will track you if you use them, and I'll disable them when I get home. You don't want my phone, it is locked and has GPS, I'll find you. You don't want my keys. You don't even know what they open, and I have spares, and I'll change all the locks. Just take my cash and go.
So your idea is to argue that the mugger not inconvenience you by taking things that require more effort to get replaced. Brilliant as always.
If you said that to me and I was a mugging you, I'd take all your shit, break your phone in front of your face. Then keep your credit cards just to spite you for the inconvenience and hassle of replacing everything.
No hassle to me. I have insurance. The more you do, the easier it is to put you in jail. If you are reasonable, I might not even report it.
If you said that to me and I was a mugging you, I'd take all your shit, break your phone in front of your face. Then keep your credit cards just to spite you for the inconvenience and hassle of replacing everything.
No hassle to me. I have insurance. The more you do, the easier it is to put you in jail. If you are reasonable, I might not even report it.
If you said that to me and I was a mugging you, I'd take all your shit, break your phone in front of your face. Then keep your credit cards just to spite you for the inconvenience and hassle of replacing everything.
No hassle to me. I have insurance. The more you do, the easier it is to put you in jail. If you are reasonable, I might not even report it.
This is banking on the person mugging you being a reasonable and logical person, which if they are mugging you means they probably aren't
Odds are a firearm would escalate any situation rather than solve it.
Rule 1 of firearm carry for civilians is that you don't pull your gun until you intend to use lethal force. It's draw, aim, fire, preferably in under 1.5 seconds as that's where the 21 foot rule came from.
What average civilian could shoot another person, it is the same reason storm troopers in star wars always miss.
If you said that to me and I was a mugging you, I'd take all your shit, break your phone in front of your face. Then keep your credit cards just to spite you for the inconvenience and hassle of replacing everything.
No hassle to me. I have insurance. The more you do, the easier it is to put you in jail. If you are reasonable, I might not even report it.
If you said that to me and I was a mugging you, I'd take all your shit, break your phone in front of your face. Then keep your credit cards just to spite you for the inconvenience and hassle of replacing everything.
No hassle to me. I have insurance. The more you do, the easier it is to put you in jail. If you are reasonable, I might not even report it.
I would argue less stupidity than naivete. Some dude waves a knife around at Scott, and says he's gonna stab him if he doesn't give up his wallet and phone, you think Scott's going to be giving speeches, or handing over his wallet and phone?
On the other hand, it's also a bit foolish(though, slightly less so, considering) to think automatically that Scott wouldn't give a speech to the guy, or maybe some other outcome not discussed, like bashing the guy with his handbag or something. You can't really make a serious prediction on how someone will act in that sort of a situation till it happens - I've seen a 5'4", 120 pound flight attendant take a big drunk dude to the floor like it's a comedy rodeo, when ordinarily, she's queasy about squishing bugs, and I've seen big, aggressively posturing dudes cry like babies when push came to shove very suddenly and they caught one in the nose.
What average civilian could shoot another person, it is the same reason storm troopers in star wars always miss.
Because a civilian shooting and killing the main protagonists of the piece would rapidly and unsatisfyingly end the movie?
The most that will accomplish is stalling them, especially if they are armed with something. By the time you are being mugged reason and logic aren't their biggest priorities. Hell, being smug about how this is all pointless to them just might make them stab/shoot you for the hell of it.
My brother was mugged after trying to get home from college in NYC. He wasn't paying attention and the guy caught him off guard with a knife. My brother tried to talk him down but the dude still had a knife to his throat. The ONLY reason he even tried to calm the guy down was to make sure he didn't get stabbed during the encounter. Two little old ladies walking by the alley spotted them and called out for police. While they ran off the mugger was distracted and my brother head butted the guy then punched him in the throat. Guy was unconscious by the time the little old ladies came back with a policeman that then tried to arrest my brother for being a mugger.
Moral of the story: Talking a mugger down will get you nowhere without little old ladies to save you.
Bonus points when it's obvious that all of their gun knowledge comes from CounterStrike and/or Battlefield. Space bonus points when they use the fake names for said guns in said games.
Now that's a little unfair to us who have had real world training with firearms. I was trained in the Boy Scouts, and also in ROTC and I like to think I know what I'm saying when I give my advice.
And yes, your chances of getting into a situation where you need a CCW are small, but then again the BSA motto is be prepared.
A mugger with a frisbee is probably the most pathetic thing I'll never see. If a guy threatens to throw a frisbee at me I'll walk him down to the pawn shop and buy him a gun.
You actually have to practice, that's why they make human outline shaped targets for shooting practice.
Unless I'm assaulted by a bunch of flying circles, I'm pretty much fucked then.
What, you've never been mugged by a frisbee?
Well, maybe once but I'm pretty sure that was the drugs talking.
See, that's the problem with young frisbees these days, always so high they don't know what they're doing, they don't care what they have to do, they just want that next hit.
A mugger with a frisbee is probably the most pathetic thing I'll never see. If a guy threatens to throw a frisbee at me I'll walk him down to the pawn shop and buy him a gun.
Unless you're being robbed by Lucy Lawless, I guess.
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But yeah, on the topic of this thread, just call some professionals.
And I'm sick to the eye teeth with them on reddit, just as you are - they're less likely here, due to the differing nature of this forum, but I certainly would hate to see one start.
If you're going that route, I'd suggest just having a wallet, and then getting a separate card holder/money clip.
More generally, young men talk and ponder a great deal about their plans should they ever be in a dangerous situation involving weapons, greatly out of proportion to the actual likelihood of any such event. Any time you think that the advice you're about to give someone involves a weapon of any kind, reconsider your advice. You're never going to be shot at. No one with a gun is ever going to mug you. Gangbangers aren't going to trap you in an alley.
But I can't hate too much. Hearing nerds talk about how GUNS IS SELF-DEFENSE is like a real-time 21 Foot Rule feed. It allows for many luls.
Looking back at the original post in this thread, and then the direction it took, most of the advice is pretty useless(if not outright dangerous) and not what was being sought. Explain to me how this makes your advice any more useful or relevant? In fact, the sentence "Any time you think that the advice you're about to give someone involves a weapon of any kind, reconsider your advice" is the best and most useful advisory you've given so far, despite not being relevant to the original post.
I'd be like, seriously dude, you're mugging me? Ok, I'll give you the cash, but nothing else I have will do you any good. You don't want my credit cards, they will track you if you use them, and I'll disable them when I get home. You don't want my phone, it is locked and has GPS, I'll find you. You don't want my keys. You don't even know what they open, and I have spares, and I'll change all the locks. Just take my cash and go.
Sometimes there is the case of someone like the guy who got shot in his leg because he would not give up his iPhone, or my old co-worker who got randomly stabbed by strangers in San Francisco, probably as some sort of gang test, but those are very rare. Most muggers want quick money and no trouble.
On the other hand, it's also a bit foolish(though, slightly less so, considering) to think automatically that Scott wouldn't give a speech to the guy, or maybe some other outcome not discussed, like bashing the guy with his handbag or something. You can't really make a serious prediction on how someone will act in that sort of a situation till it happens - I've seen a 5'4", 120 pound flight attendant take a big drunk dude to the floor like it's a comedy rodeo, when ordinarily, she's queasy about squishing bugs, and I've seen big, aggressively posturing dudes cry like babies when push came to shove very suddenly and they caught one in the nose. Because a civilian shooting and killing the main protagonists of the piece would rapidly and unsatisfyingly end the movie?
My brother was mugged after trying to get home from college in NYC. He wasn't paying attention and the guy caught him off guard with a knife. My brother tried to talk him down but the dude still had a knife to his throat. The ONLY reason he even tried to calm the guy down was to make sure he didn't get stabbed during the encounter. Two little old ladies walking by the alley spotted them and called out for police. While they ran off the mugger was distracted and my brother head butted the guy then punched him in the throat. Guy was unconscious by the time the little old ladies came back with a policeman that then tried to arrest my brother for being a mugger.
Moral of the story: Talking a mugger down will get you nowhere without little old ladies to save you.
And yes, your chances of getting into a situation where you need a CCW are small, but then again the BSA motto is be prepared.