I like the ending. It was... the most "complete" ending possible. While the Six and Gaius Angels were a bit heavy handed, most of the ending worked for me. I found Galen killing Tori to be jarring and forced - didn't the series make it clear that he didn't love or even like Cally? Also, why did Cavil shoot himself rather than fight? It seemed out of character. Regardless, I feel like the ending worked overall.
The problem was that the characters acted completely stupid or I just didn't care about them.
An example (spoilers ahead)...
During the series, Admiral Adama went through a compelling story arc where he learned to love his son and atoned for abandoning him. And what does he do at the end? Abandon his son. Wow... what great character development.
This is just one of MANY such examples.
It wasn't compelling at all. A lot of the "explanations" were very forced, and at the end of the day didn't even matter.
Interestingly enough... I predicted the finale almost perfectly. I predicted the whole "earth" thing and the "human ancestor" thing, and a lot else.
What I Liked: The fashion robot (it all will happen again). Finding earth in a primitive state Racetrack nuking the cylon colony because a meteor hit her dead ship(and dead body). The Galactica battle. Tyrol Killing Tori. The Opera House (but not how it resolved, because it was kinda a minor thing in the end) Helo, not getting freaking killed. Oh yea, Athena killing Boomer.. (that's not going to cause mental damage) The Roslyn's death sequence. The future having "All Along the watchtower" playing ^_^
What I didn't like: Starbuck just disappearing. The Adama's "never" seeing each other again. and sending the fucking ships into the FUCKING SUN... FUCK YOU! My Damn "Zephyr" flown into the sun.... *sniff*
There's already a spoiler warning in the thread title, so I'm not going to bother to hide my words:
What I liked: - Baltar finally having some redemption. - Roslin finally kicking it. I've been crossing my fingers for that since season one. - Cavil eating his own bullet. - Galen Tyrol heading north to "the highlands." I chuckled because this could be either the root of "Gaelic" or the basis for the Tyrol mountains in Italy. - Six's clothes. - The old-style Centurions. - The sheer size of the crash of the Galactica into the base star.
What I didn't like: - The LOTR-esque loooong ending. - The supernatural. I've been hoping all along that this was science, and that god was a fake. Now we have angels. Ugh. - Starbuck just vanishing. That was weak. - The settlement of "our" Earth. Douglas Adams wants his plot point back. Also, does this mean that we, as the common ancestors of the Cylons/humans are all part Cylon? - It was never resolved exactly what made the 12 skinjob Cylons fundamentally different from humans. If an MRI couldn't tell the difference, then are they really machines? Or are they just organic machines -- which is exactly what humans are?
- The supernatural. I've been hoping all along that this was science, and that god was a fake. Now we have angels. Ugh.
Well you really don't know what the hell they are. Obviously they lend themselves to being actual angels, but we really don't know what they are. They could be precursors to even the Final five for all we know. I have a feeling the Movie coming out BSG: The Plan, will go into more of the Cylon questions you are still asking.
--Drinking heavily helps to solve problems. --Technology is bad. --Angels guide us.
When Lee said "no cities" I paused my TiVo and went on a 2 minute rant about how after 5 years into a science fiction show we get the message that technology is bad? I have never seen a bigger middle finger given to an audience of a show before in my life.
When Lee said "no cities" I paused my TiVo and went on a 2 minute rant about how after 5 years into a science fiction show we get the message that technology is bad? I have never seen a bigger middle finger given to an audience of a show before in my life.
50% of all Sci-fi's lessons is don't make intelligent robots and if you do make intelligent robots, treat them with respect.
I have never seen a bigger middle finger given to an audience of a show before in my life.
Agreed. I've wanted to type an essay on everything that was bad about the final episode. I just don't have the time to do so. It would not be a quick project.
I was still holding out hope that it would be 1980 or a ship of light would appear..
As far as I understand it, we got the ship of light. It's just that it was a viper.
Honestly, I not a big fan of the supernatural elements they decided to include in the show (though they have been here since about episode 3 of season 1 – Shelly Godfrey, anyone?), the "You know it doesn't like that name" is the closest it can come to some wiggle room about what class of entity we are dealing with.
As far as I understand it, we got the ship of light. It's just that it was a viper.
Honestly, I not a big fan of the supernatural elements they decided to include in the show (though they have been here since about episode 3 of season 1 – Shelly Godfrey, anyone?), the "You know it doesn't like that name" is the closest it can come to some wiggle room about what class of entity we are dealing with.
It wasn't glowing light though ^_^
It has the same stuff flowing through Star Trek. Entities so much more advanced then we are would appear as gods.
The producers were not shy about the fact that BSG was supposed to be a commentary on war.
That's fine. But you don't tackle the issue by having the characters engage the enemy in battle, prevail in the battle (insomuch as they wanted Hera back) and then abandon everything that won you the battle believing that "fairies" will protect you. (A simplification, but you get my point.) An even more pissed off enemy is still out there. Nice strategy, guys. On a macro level, it was a failure.
On a micro level, there were countless other failures. Just one example... the Galactica is engaged in combat. It's falling apart. The crew is doing everything they can to keep the ship together.
And what do the final five do... They stand there staring into space because they had to match the image in the Opera House scene. Are we really to believe that they would just stand there doing nothing while chaos is around them? Please. It was so artificial.
And did the final five really amount to anything? As far as the story is concerned, I think that the writers did very little with the final five. There were some interesting moments, but in the aggregate the whole story arc of the final five fell flat on its face.
For me, the show started to fall apart when the Cylons were no longer unified. The appeal of the show was the ever-present tension of the human race being wiped out by the Cylons. Once the Cylon race became divided, the Cylons threat was greatly reduced. Heck... for how many episodes have the Cylons been hiding? Ho hum.
It could have worked, but not as written. I appreciate the desire to question the line between humanity and a machine. However, the writers did it at the expense of what made the show so compelling.
I'm just waiting for the real final episode to air. The one that pans out to a bunch of kids playing a sci-fi roleplaying game and bitching about how the game went downhill after they let the pastor's son GM for a few sessions.
When Lee said "no cities" I paused my TiVo and went on a 2 minute rant about how after 5 years into a science fiction show we get the message that technology is bad? I have never seen a bigger middle finger given to an audience of a show before in my life.
Giving the finger to science? That is a skewed interpretation. They decided not to overtake a world that had its own existing population of humans by creating a society identical to that that so utterly failed (exactly what the "Lords of Cobal" did and it only had crappy results). They even stated that they planned to bring certain advancements to the existing population of humans (agriculture and language specifically). They are essentially hitting "re-set" in the hope that society, as it develops its new technology, will make different decisions with their technology. Specifically, that they will not enslave any sentient beings they create.
While I am not a huge fan of the ending, I also don't hate it. It was acceptable. As for the religious elements, I really don't mind religion in fantasy and fiction if it is done well. I do wish the angels' dialogue wasn't quite so glib.
Giving the finger to science? That is a skewed interpretation. They decided not to overtake a world that had its own existing population of humans by creating a society identical to that that so utterly failed (exactly what the "Lords of Cobal" did and it only had crappy results). They even stated that they planned to bring certain advancements to the existing population of humans (agriculture and language specifically). They are essentially hitting "re-set" in the hope that society, as it develops its new technology, will make different decisions with their technology. Specifically, that they will not enslave any sentient beings they create.
While I am not a huge fan of the ending, I also don't hate it. It was acceptable. As for the religious elements, I really don't mind religion in fantasy and fiction if it is done well. I do wish the angels' dialogue wasn't quite so glib.
This is pretty much my opinion also. It just pains me to see my favorite ships not destroyed in a last ditch battle for survival but thrown into the sun.. :-(
Giving the finger to science? That is a skewed interpretation. They decided not to overtake a world that had its own existing population of humans by creating a society identical to that that so utterly failed (exactly what the "Lords of Cobal" did and it only had crappy results). They even stated that they planned to bring certain advancements to the existing population of humans (agriculture and language specifically). They are essentially hitting "re-set" in the hope that society, as it develops its new technology, will make different decisions with their technology. Specifically, that they will not enslave any sentient beings they create. While I am not a huge fan of the ending, I also don't hate it. It was acceptable. As for the religious elements, I really don't mind religion in fantasy and fiction if it is done well. I do wish the angels' dialogue wasn't quite so glib.
I am not surprised that you disagree with my perspective as I frequently disagree (silently) with you. The finger is given to those people who love science fiction because the positive portrayal of futuristic technology. What happens here? They abandon technology to live off the land. They gave up on technology. Do I understand that some people think that's a good idea? Yes. Do I agree with them? No. Moreover, the idea that these long suffering people would through their technology away was simply a plot device to make it jive with our own Earth time line. It did not survive suspension of disbelief for me.
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Also, was that directed by Peter Jackson? Because there were so many extended ending scenes that I expected hobbits.
Cylon's in training
Regardless, I feel like the ending worked overall.
The problem was that the characters acted completely stupid or I just didn't care about them.
An example (spoilers ahead)...
During the series, Admiral Adama went through a compelling story arc where he learned to love his son and atoned for abandoning him. And what does he do at the end? Abandon his son. Wow... what great character development.
This is just one of MANY such examples.
It wasn't compelling at all. A lot of the "explanations" were very forced, and at the end of the day didn't even matter.
Interestingly enough... I predicted the finale almost perfectly. I predicted the whole "earth" thing and the "human ancestor" thing, and a lot else.
You can like the show all you want. I just have a different opinion. Sheesh.
The fashion robot (it all will happen again).
Finding earth in a primitive state
Racetrack nuking the cylon colony because a meteor hit her dead ship(and dead body).
The Galactica battle.
Tyrol Killing Tori.
The Opera House (but not how it resolved, because it was kinda a minor thing in the end)
Helo, not getting freaking killed.
Oh yea, Athena killing Boomer.. (that's not going to cause mental damage)
The Roslyn's death sequence.
The future having "All Along the watchtower" playing ^_^
What I didn't like:
Starbuck just disappearing.
The Adama's "never" seeing each other again.
and sending the fucking ships into the FUCKING SUN... FUCK YOU! My Damn "Zephyr" flown into the sun.... *sniff*
What I liked:
- Baltar finally having some redemption.
- Roslin finally kicking it. I've been crossing my fingers for that since season one.
- Cavil eating his own bullet.
- Galen Tyrol heading north to "the highlands." I chuckled because this could be either the root of "Gaelic" or the basis for the Tyrol mountains in Italy.
- Six's clothes.
- The old-style Centurions.
- The sheer size of the crash of the Galactica into the base star.
What I didn't like:
- The LOTR-esque loooong ending.
- The supernatural. I've been hoping all along that this was science, and that god was a fake. Now we have angels. Ugh.
- Starbuck just vanishing. That was weak.
- The settlement of "our" Earth. Douglas Adams wants his plot point back. Also, does this mean that we, as the common ancestors of the Cylons/humans are all part Cylon?
- It was never resolved exactly what made the 12 skinjob Cylons fundamentally different from humans. If an MRI couldn't tell the difference, then are they really machines? Or are they just organic machines -- which is exactly what humans are?
--Drinking heavily helps to solve problems.
--Technology is bad.
--Angels guide us.
When Lee said "no cities" I paused my TiVo and went on a 2 minute rant about how after 5 years into a science fiction show we get the message that technology is bad? I have never seen a bigger middle finger given to an audience of a show before in my life.
Honestly, I not a big fan of the supernatural elements they decided to include in the show (though they have been here since about episode 3 of season 1 – Shelly Godfrey, anyone?), the "You know it doesn't like that name" is the closest it can come to some wiggle room about what class of entity we are dealing with.
It has the same stuff flowing through Star Trek. Entities so much more advanced then we are would appear as gods.
That's fine. But you don't tackle the issue by having the characters engage the enemy in battle, prevail in the battle (insomuch as they wanted Hera back) and then abandon everything that won you the battle believing that "fairies" will protect you. (A simplification, but you get my point.) An even more pissed off enemy is still out there. Nice strategy, guys. On a macro level, it was a failure.
On a micro level, there were countless other failures. Just one example... the Galactica is engaged in combat. It's falling apart. The crew is doing everything they can to keep the ship together.
And what do the final five do... They stand there staring into space because they had to match the image in the Opera House scene. Are we really to believe that they would just stand there doing nothing while chaos is around them? Please. It was so artificial.
And did the final five really amount to anything? As far as the story is concerned, I think that the writers did very little with the final five. There were some interesting moments, but in the aggregate the whole story arc of the final five fell flat on its face.
For me, the show started to fall apart when the Cylons were no longer unified. The appeal of the show was the ever-present tension of the human race being wiped out by the Cylons. Once the Cylon race became divided, the Cylons threat was greatly reduced. Heck... for how many episodes have the Cylons been hiding? Ho hum.
It could have worked, but not as written. I appreciate the desire to question the line between humanity and a machine. However, the writers did it at the expense of what made the show so compelling.
And I could go on...
They are essentially hitting "re-set" in the hope that society, as it develops its new technology, will make different decisions with their technology. Specifically, that they will not enslave any sentient beings they create.
While I am not a huge fan of the ending, I also don't hate it. It was acceptable.
As for the religious elements, I really don't mind religion in fantasy and fiction if it is done well. I do wish the angels' dialogue wasn't quite so glib.
The first two on the list look pretty good, I think I'm going to try out that Freespace 2 mod later tonight.