I am not surprised that you disagree with my perspective as I frequently disagree (silently) with you. The finger is given to those people who love science fiction because the positive portrayal of futuristic technology. What happens here? They abandon technology to live off the land. They gave up on technology. Do I understand that some people think that's a good idea? Yes. Do I agree with them? No. Moreover, the idea that these long suffering people would through their technology away was simply a plot device to make it jive with our own Earth time line. It did not survive suspension of disbelief for me.
I am not surprised that you disagree with my perspective as I frequently disagree (silently) with you. The finger is given to those people who love science fiction because the positive portrayal of futuristic technology. What happens here? They abandon technology to live off the land. They gave up on technology. Do I understand that some people think that's a good idea? Yes. Do I agree with them? No. Moreover, the idea that these long suffering people would through their technology away was simply a plot device to make it jive with our own Earth time line. It did not survive suspension of disbelief for me.
Didn't the main characters have a short talk about launching the ships into the sun? Wasn't that talk along the lines of "technology evil" and not "no one leaves"?
Didn't the main characters have a short talk about launching the ships into the sun? Wasn't that talk along the lines of "technology evil" and not "no one leaves"?
From what I remember, it wasn't so much that technology was evil, but rather that they wanted to break the cycle of rebuilding the same culture. IMHO, technology is a very integral part of society and our culture, and it was a logical and necessary step in essentially a social reboot. Whether you view this as demonizing technology, is a personal opinion.
Didn't the main characters have a short talk about launching the ships into the sun? Wasn't that talk along the lines of "technology evil" and not "no one leaves"?
From what I remember, it wasn't so much that technology was evil, but rather that they wanted to break the cycle of rebuilding the same culture. IMHO, technology is a very integral part of society and our culture, and it was a logical and necessary step in essentially a social reboot. Whether you view this as demonizing technology, is a personal opinion.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one because I think I already deleted the show from my DVR.
Pretty bad analogy. Cortes burned his ships to eliminate any ideas of retreat (or mutnity) so that his men would completely wipe out any native resistance. His soldier's only option was to conquer the enemy. It was their only way home.
Doesn't fit with BSG at all. Yeah... the Colonial ships were destroyed. That's the only similarity. The natives weren't the enemy in BSG. It was the Cylons. By destroying the ships, they hurt their chance of survival and/or victory.
Yet another reason why the writers screwed this one up.
Pretty bad analogy. Cortes burned his ships his ships to eliminate any ideas of retreat (or mutnity) so that his men would completely wipe out any native resistance. His soldier's only option was to conquer the enemy. It was their only way home.
Doesn't fit at all. Yeah... the ships were destroyed. That's the only similarity. Yet another reason why the writers screwed this one up.
I'm only saying what came from the creator himself.
Giving the finger to science? That is a skewed interpretation. They decided not to overtake a world that had its own existing population of humans by creating a society identical to that that so utterly failed (exactly what the "Lords of Cobal" did and it only had crappy results). They even stated that they planned to bring certain advancements to the existing population of humans (agriculture and language specifically). They are essentially hitting "re-set" in the hope that society, as it develops its new technology, will make different decisions with their technology. Specifically, that they will not enslave any sentient beings they create. While I am not a huge fan of the ending, I also don't hate it. It was acceptable. As for the religious elements, I really don't mind religion in fantasy and fiction if it is done well. I do wish the angels' dialogue wasn't quite so glib.
I am not surprised that you disagree with my perspective as I frequently disagree (silently) with you. The finger is given to those people who love science fiction because the positive portrayal of futuristic technology. What happens here? They abandon technology to live off the land. They gave up on technology. Do I understand that some people think that's a good idea? Yes. Do I agree with them? No. Moreover, the idea that these long suffering people would through their technology away was simply a plot device to make it jive with our own Earth time line. It did not survive suspension of disbelief for me.
I can certainly see your point, I just attempt to take series for what they are, not what I would have them be. I can create a million "perfect" endings in my head, but I like being surprised and while I can see failings in the ending, I care less about the agenda and more about the story in this particular case. As the entire series was a literal war with technology, I can certainly see why that particular group of people would choose to abandon it as it nearly destroyed them. Do I agree with the overall message that technology is bad? Certainly not. However, technology that doesn't serve the societies' interest is worthless. I am simply taking the context and circumstances provided by the show and saying that the ending works on some levels. I am not saying that the overall message should be a rule of thumb for all society and situations. My problems with the ending focus more on the writing itself and the handling of characters, not the commentary on society and technology.
I am sorry to hear that you disagree with me so frequently. As someone who has a great amount of respect for your opinions...
Ah, Mrs. MacRoss I always respect your opinions and I like you, I just disagree with you (and frequently is probably too strong a word, let's go with now and then).
I haven't been reading any of these posts because I'm still stuck in 2.5, however something pretty cool that is BSG related:I so fucking fail.Guy creates Mon Cal Cruiser out of Legos.
I haven't been reading any of these posts because I'm still stuck in 2.5, however something pretty cool that is BSG related:Guy creates Mon Cal Cruiser out of Legos.
Comic Book Guy says: Mon Calamari cruisers are from Star Wars. I need some more nachos.
I haven't been reading any of these posts because I'm still stuck in 2.5, however something pretty cool that is BSG related:Guy creates Mon Cal Cruiser out of Legos.
Comic Book Guy says: Mon Calamari cruisers are from Star Wars. I need some more nachos.
OMG, that's so my bad. It's early. I woke up late. God, I feel retarded. -_-
I haven't been reading any of these posts because I'm still stuck in 2.5, however something pretty cool that is BSG related:Guy creates Mon Cal Cruiser out of Legos.
Comic Book Guy says: Mon Calamari cruisers are from Star Wars. I need some more nachos.
OMG, that's so my bad. It's early. I woke up late. God, I feel retarded. -_-
It's OK, Ro. You're still my favorite of all the weirdos on this board. Especially that Andrew kid. And that Thaed guy. Certainly more favoriter than that HungryFella.
t's OK, Ro. You're still my favorite of all the weirdos on this board. Especially that Andrew kid. And that Thaed guy. Certainly more favoriter than that HungryFella.
Yay! But I know deep down you Andrew more than myself. Especially since you share a bond that I could never provide. ^_~
Just finished watching The Plan. I've always though it douchey to say something like "I want those two hours of my life back", but in this case I feel it is absolutely justified. Why did they bother? It offered almost no insights, no further revelations. Cavill's a prick? Really? You don't say?
One new character, some 2012-style CG disaster scenes, and some spicy tit/cock shots does not a good movie make. Sadly, the whole thing is little more than a retcon, an attempt to patch up the leaky boat that was the series' plot. Avoid.
I've watched the first two episodes and I am having trouble getting into it. I think it would help if the Zoe character played by Alessandra Torresani was in any way believable. I don't know if it the fact that she looks nothing like her parents, that she has the voice of a 50 year old smoker, that the actress isn't so great, or if the character concept seems wholly unbelievable, but I just can't buy her character on any level. There is something overall that is so dispassionate about the series that it makes it difficult to get swept into the melodrama (and thus able to suspend some disbelief). If the series was campier or more passionate (either end of the spectrum would do), then the melodrama would be delicious. I will watch a few more episodes before I write it off, because I am a huge Eric Stoltz fan.
...the fact that she looks nothing like her parents...
This bothers me, too. What I am most interested in is the development of the religious divide and the development/progression of the cylon. It's interesting from an anthropological standpoint.
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If Moore intended for the reason to be based on Cortés then he failed to get that message across in the episode.
Doesn't fit with BSG at all. Yeah... the Colonial ships were destroyed. That's the only similarity. The natives weren't the enemy in BSG. It was the Cylons. By destroying the ships, they hurt their chance of survival and/or victory.
Yet another reason why the writers screwed this one up.
I enjoyed some of the comments in this blog that I found thanks to Google.
It looks like our fears about Caprica may be well founded.
As the entire series was a literal war with technology, I can certainly see why that particular group of people would choose to abandon it as it nearly destroyed them. Do I agree with the overall message that technology is bad? Certainly not. However, technology that doesn't serve the societies' interest is worthless. I am simply taking the context and circumstances provided by the show and saying that the ending works on some levels. I am not saying that the overall message should be a rule of thumb for all society and situations.
My problems with the ending focus more on the writing itself and the handling of characters, not the commentary on society and technology.
I am sorry to hear that you disagree with me so frequently. As someone who has a great amount of respect for your opinions...
One new character, some 2012-style CG disaster scenes, and some spicy tit/cock shots does not a good movie make. Sadly, the whole thing is little more than a retcon, an attempt to patch up the leaky boat that was the series' plot. Avoid.
There is something overall that is so dispassionate about the series that it makes it difficult to get swept into the melodrama (and thus able to suspend some disbelief). If the series was campier or more passionate (either end of the spectrum would do), then the melodrama would be delicious. I will watch a few more episodes before I write it off, because I am a huge Eric Stoltz fan.