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  • Caps lock (kaps lok)n.(see also - retard lock): The haven of crazy, insistent, uneducated people.
    Also, ubiquitous use of the ellipsis...
  • Caps lock (kaps lok)n.(see also - retard lock): The haven of crazy, insistent, uneducated people.
    Also, ubiquitous use of the ellipsis...
    Reminds me of the story of the lady who was fired for using caps lock while typing out her emails.
  • edited October 2009
    WATCH NOW


    You've got to take 2 minutes to watch this comparison between George Bush's visit to the Marines vs. Obama's recent trip. It is incredible. There is word this will be removed from You Tube very soon so go now. Pass it around quickly. Try to get this to people as it may not last long on you tube.


    Two Presidents Meet the Marines



    Post edited by Cremlian on
  • What is that video meant to show? That Bush's entrance was informal and Obama's was formal?
  • What is that video meant to show? That Bush's entrance was informal and Obama's was formal?
    They are trying to say that Bush had the support of the Marines and that Obama doesn't.
  • These kind of videos really work on ex-marines..... (like my dad)
  • Aside from the obviously different contexts of each of these clips, might this have something to do with the political views that marines tend to hold? They are a self-selecting group, after all.
  • Ahhh the return of the stupid political E-mail (I've been getting them the whole time but this was long and stupid..

    The Fundamental Transformation of America


    When Obama wrote a book and said he was
    mentored as a youth by Frank,
    (Frank Marshall Davis) an avowed Communist,
    people said it didn't matter.



    When it was discovered that his grandparents,
    were strong socialist,
    sent Obama's mother to a socialist school,
    introduced Frank Marshall Davis to young Obama,
    People said it didn't matter.



    When people found out that he was
    enrolled as a Muslim child in school and his
    father and step father were both Muslims,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he wrote in another book he
    authored, "I will stand with them (Muslims)
    should the political winds shift
    in an ugly direction."
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he admittedly, in his book,
    said he chose Marxist friends
    and professors in college,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he traveled to Pakistan ,
    after college on an unknown
    national passport,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he sought the endorsement of the
    Marxist party in 1996 as he ran
    for the Illinois Senate,
    people said it doesn't matter.

    When he sat in a Chicago Church
    for twenty years and listened to a preacher
    spew hatred for America and
    preach black liberation theology,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When an independent Washington organization,
    that tracks senate voting records, gave him
    the distinctive title as the "most liberal senator;"
    people said it didn't matter.

    When the Palestinians in Gaza,
    set up a fund raising telethon
    to raise money for his election campaign,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When his voting record
    supported gun control,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he refused to disclose who
    donated money to his election campaign,
    as other candidates had done,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he received endorsements from
    people like Louis Farrakhan and
    Mummar Kadaffi and Hugo Chavez,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When it was pointed out that he was
    a total newcomer and had absolutely
    no experience at anything except
    community organizing,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he chose friends and acquaintances
    such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn
    who were revolutionary radicals,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When his voting record in the Illinois
    senate and in the U.S. Senate
    came into question,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he refused to wear a flag,
    lapel pin and did so only
    after a public outcry,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When people started treating him as
    a Messiah and children in schools
    were taught to sing his praises,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he stood with his hands over
    his groin area for the playing of the
    National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he surrounded himself in the White house
    with advisers who were pro gun control, pro
    abortion, pro homosexual marriage and wanting to
    curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he aired his views on abortion,
    homosexuality and a
    host of other issues,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he said he favors
    sex education in Kindergarten,
    including homosexual indoctrination,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When his background was either
    scrubbed or hidden and nothing
    could be found about him,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When the place of his birth
    was called into question,
    and he refused to produce a birth certificate,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he had an association in Chicago
    with Tony Rezco, a man of questionable character,
    who is now in prison and had helped Obama
    to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home,
    people said it didn't matter.

    hen it became known that George Soros,
    a multi-billionaire Marxist,
    spent a ton of money to get him elected,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he started appointing czars
    that were radicals, revolutionaries,
    and even avowed Marxist/Communist,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he stood before the nation
    and told us that his intentions were to
    "fundamentally transform this nation"
    into something else,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When it became known that he had
    trained ACORN workers in Chicago
    and served as an attorney for ACORN,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he appointed a cabinet members
    and several advisers who were
    tax cheats and socialist,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he appointed a science czar, John Holdren,
    who believes in forced abortions, mass
    sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers,
    people said it didn't matter.


    When he appointed Cass Sunstein as regulatory
    czar and he believes in "Explicit Consent,"
    harvesting human organs without family consent,
    and to allow animals to be represented in court,
    while banning all hunting,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual,
    and organizer of a group called gay, lesbian, straight,
    Education network, as safe school czar and it became known
    that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he appointed Mark Lloyd as diversity czar
    and he believed in curtailing free speech,
    taking from one and giving to another to spread
    the wealth and admires Hugo Chavez,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When Valerie Jarrett was selected as Obama's
    senior White House adviser and she is an
    avowed Socialist,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When Anita Dunn, White House Communications director
    said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher
    and the person she turned to most for inspiration,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he appointed Carol Browner as global warming
    czar, and she is a well known socialist working
    on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax,
    people said it doesn't matter.

    When he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and
    avowed Communist as green energy czar,
    who since had to resign when this was made known,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When Tom Daschle, Obama's pick for health
    and human services secretary could not be
    confirmed, because he was a tax cheat,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When as president of the United States,
    he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia,
    people said it didn't matter.


    When he traveled around the world
    criticizing America and never once
    talking of her greatness,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When his actions concerning the middle-east
    seemed to support the Palestinians
    over Israel, our long time friend,
    People said it doesn't matter.

    When he took American tax dollars to
    resettle thousands of Palestinians
    from Gaza to the United States,
    people said it doesn't matter.

    When he upset the Europeans by
    removing plans for a missile defense system
    against the Russians,
    People said it doesn't matter.

    When he played politics in Afghanistan by
    not sending troops the Field Commanders
    said we had to have to win,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he started spending us into a debt
    that was so big
    we could not pay it off,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he took a huge spending bill
    under the guise of stimulus
    and used it to pay off organizations,
    unions and individuals
    hat got him elected,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he took over insurance companies,
    car companies, banks, etc.
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he took away student loans
    from the banks and put it
    through the government,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he designed plans to take over
    the health care system
    and put it under government control,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he set into motion a plan
    to take over the control of all
    energy in the United States
    through Cap and Trade,
    people said it didn't matter.

    When he finally completed his
    transformation of America
    into a Socialist State ,
    people finally woke up........
    but it was too late.
  • Any one of these things, in and of themselves does not really matter. But.... when you add them up one by one you get a phenomenal score that points to the fact that our Obama is determined to make America over into a Marxist/Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you disavow this, do an internet search. The last paragraph alone is not yet cast in stone. You and I will write that paragraph. Will it read as above or will it be a more happy ending for most of America? Personally, I like happy endings.

    If you are an Obama Supporter, please do not be angry with me because I think your president is a socialist, but there are too many facts supporting this. If you seek the truth you will be richer for it. Don't just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. I did. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Constitutionalists, Libertarians and what have you, we all need to pull together. We all must pull together or watch the demise of a society that we all love and cherish. If you are a religious person, pray for our nation.

    Never before in the history of America have we been confronted with problems so huge that the very existence of our country is in jeopardy. Don't rely on most television news and what you read in the newspapers for the truth. Search the internet. Yes, there is a lot of bad information, lies and distortions there too, but you are smart enough to spot the fallacies. Newspapers are a dying breed. They are currently seeking a bailout from the government. Do you really think they are about to print the truth? Obama praises all the television news networks except Fox who he has waged war against. There must be a reason. He does not call them down on any specifics, just a general battle against them. If they lie, he should
    call them out on it, but he doesn't. Please, find the truth, it will set you free.

    Our biggest enemy is not China, Russia, Iran; no, our biggest enemy is a contingent of politicians in Washington, DC.
  • That was a large E-mail, but notice how it talks, half of those things are good things but they are painted in a poor light, the normal uninformed voter would be totally taken in by this.....
  • WTF?
    You wonder why people are going completely crazy, it's because of this sorta crap.
  • edited December 2009
    WTF?
    You wonder why people are going completely crazy, it's because of this sorta crap.
    Let's say - for the sake of argument - that every claim made in that e-mail was true. Why would any one believe it was true or false without looking into it themselves? Why does anyone believe anything in a random e-mail?
    This information isn't making people crazy - it is the fact that people are willing to believe whatever bullshit someone hands them (or that they are crazy to begin with) that is the problem. Independent research and approaching each issue on an individual basis rather than a pre-set dogmatic view would solve a lot of problems.
    I am not a genius, but even I am capable of some basic critical thinking. This is just intellectual laziness run amok.
    Post edited by Kate Monster on
  • It's more sinster then that, everyone always plays the throw the everything and the kitchen sink and see what sticks... This is a over eager version of that but it does work. It's kinda like the Glenn Beck Raped and Killed a girl meme that was going around. While all the articles and information says "Glenn Beck did not rape and kill a girl" people still remember that there is something to do with Glenn Beck and Raping/killing and forget or mess up the rest of the information.

    But it's even worse then that, lets take an example from this E-mail.
    "When he played politics in Afghanistan by
    not sending troops the Field Commanders
    said we had to have to win,
    people said it didn't matter."
    It doesn't matter that I read a few days later that he actually gave them what they wanted, I'll remember a few months later that Obama played politics in Afghanistan, especially if it reinforces a view that I already hold.

    Confirmation bias is one that everyone is weak to and these E-mails don't change minds, they in fact confirm what people already think or suspect.
  • edited December 2009
    Confirmation bias is one that everyone is weak to and these E-mails don't change minds, they in fact confirm what people already think or suspect.
    Its such a cheap, yet effective tactic to use. Its very base is our psychological need to be right.
    I'm sorry Mr Norris, but while you may be able to roundhouse kick like no ones business, what exactly qualifies you to talk on the healthcare system present or future?
    I really dislike this way of thinking. Some people are more qualified than others to speak with authority on a topic, but nobody should be denied a say based on their vocation. Any argument outside of a specialized peer review journal could be shut down by asking, "Who the hell do you think you are?" Your analysis of any such article should be based on itsmerits, not itsqualifications.
    I don't think he was attempting to deny Chuck his "say". However, it's perfectly valid to ask what, if any, qualifications a person has for his opinion, especially if he is a celebrity in this day and age when celebrities like Chuck have such a bully pulpit given to them by the mere fact that they are celebrities.

    These days, celebrity grants such a high level of authority that I have no problem whatsoever when celebrities are asked for qualifications for their opinions in ways that I would not normally think would be proper for non-celebrities.
    Been a long time, but I just read this. Hungry Joe is right, that's exactly what I was doing.

    Also, I had recently written a counter article to Mr. Norris', systematically tearing apart his every statement, and generally making him look like an idiot. It was pretty fun.
    Post edited by Victor Frost on
  • Occasionally I get an E-mail from the conservatives that attempts to change how people look at Muslims..... Call this a Stupid religious E-mail.

    Subject:
    > Can a good Muslim be a good american?
    >
    >
    > COMMENT: Jehovah
    > is the Christian God of Love Allah
    > (Satan) is the Muslim God of Power.
    >
    > Neither Christians or Muslims can serve
    > two Gods, therefore it is not possible for
    > Christianity and Islam to peacefully co-exist.
    >
    >
    > This is very interesting and we all need to read it
    > from start to finish and send it on to everyone. Maybe
    > this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not
    > speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim
    > be a good American?
    >
    >
    > This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in
    > Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
    >
    >
    > The following is his reply:
    >
    >
    > Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to
    > Allah, The moon God of Arabia.
    >
    >
    > Religiously - no. . . Because no other religion is
    > accepted by His Allah Except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
    >
    >
    > Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to
    > the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
    >
    >
    > Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to
    > Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day..
    >
    > Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam
    > forbids him to make Friends with Christians or Jews .
    >
    > Politically - no. . . Because he must submit to the
    > mullahs (spiritual Leaders), who teach annihilation of
    > Israel and destruction of America, The great Satan.
    >
    >
    > Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to
    > marry four Women and Beat and scourge his wife when she
    > disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )
    >
    >
    > Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the
    > American Constitution since it is based on Biblical
    > principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
    >
    >
    > Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad,
    > and the Quran does Not allow freedom of religion and
    > expression. Democracy and Islam cannot Co-exist. Every
    > Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
    >
    >
    > Spiritually - no. . . Because when we declare 'one
    > nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and
    > kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to As Heavenly father,
    > nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 Excellent
    > names.
    >
    >
    > Therefore, after much study and deliberation....
    > Perhaps we should be Very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this
    > country. - - - They obviously Cannot be both 'good'
    > Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish
    > it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The
    > more who understand This, the better it will be for our
    > country and our future.
    >
    >
    > The religious war is bigger than we know or
    > understand. .....
    >
    >
    > Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us
    > from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
    >

    > THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.
    >

    > Please don't delete this until you send it
    > on.
  • FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
  • edited January 2010
    Not only is that some very unsound reasoning, sensationalism, prejudice/bigotry, but it is based on gross misunderstanding and outright lies.
    Someone needs a Buzz Aldrending.
    Post edited by Kate Monster on
  • edited January 2010
    Not only is that some very unsound reasoning, sensationalism, prejudice/bigotry, but it is based on gross misunderstanding and outright lies.
    Yep. In fact, when I read the "Spiritually...no" part, the first thought in my mind wasn't "These people are bigots" (that came moments later) so much as "These people are grossly ignorant psychopaths who haven't done any research to back their claims." Allah's 47th name -- Al-Wad?d -- means "The Loving."

    Of course, the same e-mail refers to Allah as "Satan" and "The Moon God of the Desert," so I guess I shouldn't have expected these crass aberrations of humanity to have, y'know, opened a fucking Wikipedia page before writing their hate speech.
    Post edited by WindUpBird on
  • Of course, the same e-mail refers to Allah as "Satan" and "The Moon God of the Desert," so I guess I shouldn't have expected these crass aberrations of humanity to have, y'know, opened a fucking Wikipedia page before writing their hate speech.
    Are you kidding? For these particular yahoos, everything that isn't explicitly christian is a work of Satan. So much as thinking about these things is a sun. Normal Hugging is a sin. Music that hasn't been held under the baptismal font till it comes up half drowned, passionless and brain-dead is the work of Satan. Every other Religion is satan. Everyone you don't like is a satanist.

    It's really very simply understood - everything that isn't them and theirs, is either a Sin, sinful or Satan. Simple.
  • It's really very simply understood - everything that isn't them and theirs, is either a Sin, sinful or Satan. Simple.
    Yeah, yeah, I know.
  • It's really very simply understood - everything that isn't them and theirs, is either a Sin, sinful or Satan. Simple.
    Yeah, yeah, I know.
    Hey, on the upside, I suppose, it gave us some unintentional hilarity with things like "Gimmie that Christian Side hug".
  • edited January 2010
    FOR added amusement I posted my conversation with my dad about this article afterwords.

    October 1, 2009, 12:20 PM
    From a Russian Newspaper -

    The irony of this article appearing in the English edition of Pravda (Russian newspaper) defies description. Why can a Russian newspaper print the following yet the American media can't/won't see it?


    American Capitalism Gone With A Whimper

    It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

    True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years... The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

    Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

    First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a Burger King burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

    Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more than Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more than happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America ..

    The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America 's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Weimar Republic and at worstZimbabwe .

    These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, losses, and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more than ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

    These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties, and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more than a whimper to their masters.

    Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motors) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self-given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.

    So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less than two months ago, warned Obama and UK 's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.

    Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper....but a "free man" whimper.

    So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance, and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Frank, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort.. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.

    The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible.. In other words, divest while there is still value left.
    The proud American will go down into his slavery without a fight, beating his chest, and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is.. The world will only snicker.

    Stanislav Mishin© 1999-2009... «PRAVDA.RuÂ. When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, hyperlink to should be made


    What Snopes has to say. Click here: snopes.com: American Capitalism Gone with a Whimper



    As a added bonus here is the feedback from my dad and myself

    Cremlain: if you read the Snopes link about it, it talks about how that article appeared in a tabloid.

    Dad: And???

    Cremlian: You know, the same kind of rag that puts out things like "bat-boy sighted". I.E. not to be taken seriously.

    Dad: Not that these things are true or half true or false.. You and the others better wake up to this guys bull shit.. I remember when Bush was told of stored weapons of mass destruction. He was told by a lot of top officials... That he should do something about it.. Dem. and Rep. alike voted to do something right away.. So he did.. maybe right maybe wrong but he did what he felt he should.. So now I hear change.. No change Obama man is saying the same thing, Only thing is it happened, then he put his foot down , but it is all the people he put into office.. Bomb on plane or stashed weapons , Bush did something before (right or wrong on information he had) Obama people did nothing till it was done.. Now in true form of how this used car sales man reacts , Then after it happens he comes on strong.. But I garr. he will not take any blame for his appointment...
    You will find out that this president has ruined this country maybe to the point of no return, and you will support him to the bottom of the sea.. Look around what he has done, Can.t blame this on Bush anymore.. all his doing... Who will pay for all this spending with out backing... Not me.. you will and your kids.. Maybe you will like China in charge of us,, Not me... Some one will have to carry this dept... I can see into the future on how Pres. Bush was a great Pres.(maybe not) And Obama cut the legs off this country , and made us a third world country..

    later
    Post edited by Cremlian on
  • Cremlian: You sir are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to dictate the facts. After the shoe bomber bush waited 6 days to talk about the incidence.. While Obama was being criticized for not talking about it till 72 hours after the event, now I know 72 looks like a big number compared to 6 but your completely nuts if you think he hasn't done anything about it. Also, I remember something occurring in September the year that Bush took office (note December is not far from September) and all we heard was "blame Clinton" the entire time. So apparently that's out.. On top of that the Head of the TSA (the people in charge of airport security) has not been appointed because it's been held up because a republican thinks that he might let them unionize. Now lets look at Yemen, isn't it interesting that an air-strike based on US intelligence took out the guy who was responsible for motivating that crazy guy to kill those people in Fort Hood. I have yet to see Obama cause a problem, he's only tried (sometimes unsuccessfully) to fix the ones he's left with, you can blame that on Clinton, Bush, Reagan or Carter for all I care but so far you can't blame Obama for not trying, things were vastly screwed up before Obama got in and it will take more then one year to iron those out.

    You've got to get your head out of the dirt and stop listening to these stupid E-mails, How many of them actually contain any facts in them? The only one's that are EVER true are editorials that are just some guys opinion. The problem with FOX news is that it's extremely hard to separate their New's shows from their opinion shows. Learn to read multiple sources and evaluate the data and question things your own side tells you. Without the ability to process data and evaluation what the motivation and method behind it you can not adequately make a informed opinion.

    Obama can't be a Socialist, Communist, Muslim, Atheist, Corporate-sell out, facist, nazi all at the same time.
  • Gosh, your dad doesn't make much sense. You are much more articulate in your argument with him. Daaah!
  • [Dad's argument]
    Oh lord, the ellipses. It's like reading a Rush Limbaugh transcript if he ran a mile to get into the booth.

    Also, Pravda is a joke rag. As my mom says about the Enquirer, "it's not worth the paper it's printed on."
  • @ Scott J.: You have far more patience than I do.
  • The problem with FOX news is that it's extremely hard to separate their New's shows from their opinion shows.
    Wait, Fox News actually has news shows?
  • The problem with FOX news is that it's extremely hard to separate their New's shows from their opinion shows.
    Wait, Fox News actually has news shows?
    Yes. Problem is that they are still opinionated. E.g.:
  • Wait, Fox News actually has news shows?
    Of course they do. They've got opinionated news shows and opinionated opinion shows.
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