I found it really ironic that in the closing question regarding attacks between candidates, Paul Ryan ignored the question and repeatedly attacked Obama.
Well, I guess it is pretty biased to want the people on the Science Committee to actually believe in science.
On this I can agree with you. Fuck this guy, fuck his couch, watch it fly. If the Republicans could just stick to fiscally conservative, socially liberal I'd shit rainbows but no, they gotta do shit like this and give conservatives a bad name.
Obama is far more fiscally conservative than historically revered Republicans.
As much as Ryan was slaughtered during this debate, he did something VERY right at the end. Just like Romney, his closing statements was done as a direct address to the camera. That is a very smart move. Also, why Biden elected to go first for the closing statements beyond me. Seems like you'd want to have the last word.
Someone assassinate Obama, THIS is the man we need in the Oval Office.
Nope. I think it's good cop bad cop. Biden puts his foot in his mouth often enough to be able to take heat. Obama is too black, muslim, you name it. If he is anyone other than Cliff Huxtable, people will eat him alive for being an angry black man.
Someone assassinate Obama, THIS is the man we need in the Oval Office.
Nope. I think it's good cop bad cop. Biden puts his foot in his mouth often enough to be able to take heat. Obama is too black, muslim, you name it. If he is anyone other than Cliff Huxtable, people will eat him alive for being an angry black man.
The people who are going to do that aren't voting for him anyway and haven't voted for him so far.
If I remember correctly, the next Presidential debate is in the town meeting format. It will be interesting how Obama deals with Romney's creative truths in that format.
God, I actually found Ryan's closing speech came off extremely disingenuous, he looked weird and a little too well rehearsed which made it come off insincere, however almost anytime I look at Ryan if he's talking directly to me I feel that way.
Honestly, if Obama was an "angry black man" once in a while it would totally make me want to vote for him more. I really want to see him tear a few Republicans a new one.
On NPR one of the commentators made a joke about Obama saying how the man he saw at the debate was not the Romney he knew. The joke being, neither was Obama!
In the wake of the VP debate, I see many of my friends posting angrily about Ryan's social policy issues. All I can bring myself to do is sit back, sigh, and say "I remember my dogmatic phase."
Both VP candidates had good points, and they were going toe to toe, but Biden just seemed so condescending. Seemed like a crotchety old guy telling a young man off for being disrespectful while the young man is being as polite as can be.
The young man told 24 lies in 40 minutes. Biden was aghast at how much lying was going on. It's hard not to seem condescending when you're debating a blatant liar.
Ah yea, when your opposite says things like "showing weakness to the rest of the world" when in reality we've been blowing the shit out of the rest of the world with drones, airplanes and missiles. I think you can look at the guy next to you and say "ARE YOU FREAKING kidding me?" I mean give me a break, "OH we will have the smallest Navy since 1914" OH really, our Navy is stronger then EVERY OTHER NAVY by an order of Magnitude. Fuck these guys man. Biden seemed like a guy fed up by what he was hearing.
Biden: "What would you do differently?" Ryan: "I would show less weakness" Biden: "What are you talking about, what would you do differently" Ryan: "Basically do the same thing but not be Democrats, be less weak" Biden: Throws hands up in the air.
I mean really. Fuck these guys.
That's how I really feel. If you support the republicans on Foreign policy go freaking join the Military because they are going to need bodies after we go to war with freaking Iran and apparently Russia for the amount of times we mention that Russia hates our guts.
I can only assume I will be enraged by the third presidential debate which focuses on Foreign policy. Christ.
Let's look at some recent policy. An ambassador is dead in the Middle East, as a result of a pre-planned terrorist attack and successful, in no small part, to our government not giving him better security. Three other Americans are dead along with him, two current/former Navy SEALS who were freelancing, and an aide. The administration could not get its act together for two weeks, blaming it on a spontaneous protest over a video that most people in the Middle East couldn't, and in fact hadn't, seen anyway, and in official statements continued to apologize for said video.
Then when some parts of the administration would finally say that, no, in fact there were no protests going on at the time of the attack, they still didn't communicate with each other, as some people continued to say it was in protest for a video. This current government for whatever reason does not want to recognize terrorism still exists, either believing it died with Osama Bin Laden, or, more worrying, believing that everyone in the Middle East likes us enough not to do something like that. Their policy of appeasement is not helping the situation, and I can point to what happened in 1939 as an indicator of where this will go. I'm not saying we need to be cowboys and flip everyone the double bird while balancing an M16 on our massive erection, but we need to show more backbone than Obama and Clinton have shown.
Also, here's the top ten lies of Joe Biden: 10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.
9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.
7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.
6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama called for new cuts to embassy security (http://tinyurl.com/8s8c93l) just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.
4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
1. "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described (http://tinyurl.com/9nrbd2x) his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."
Please in what way was our response weak? I mean the actual response not the confusion over the extremely large protests in Egypt and other protests in the Middle East and an act of terrorism, we immediately moved warships into the area, Lybia took suspects into custody and the people were denounced, Obama read the riot act to Egypt (read the transcript of the call). Was there some sort of security failure at the compound sure, whether it was because they were using Libyan guards or didn't feel it wa needed. I am still sort of confused why the ambassador was in a small consult on 9-11 away from the larger security attachment at the embassy. Either way, these decisions don't seem to be ones that would be made at high levels of the administration, honestly walking around with less protection shows more strength then hiding behind guards.
Back to the confusion between the two events, it was an extremely confusing time if I remember correctly the news couldn't separate attacks in Libya with the large protests in Egypt. I watched endless people talk about the Muslim brotherhood being behind the Libyan attack when they have nothing to do with Libya. It was an extremely confusing few days. Did shit go wrong? Sure but you are taking one event in four years and saying that we are weak, give me a break.
The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
Fuck them. Religions don't get special rights, they get equal rights. Fuck them and their ridiculous opposition to basic workers' right and basic health care.
I can't go into this now but where did you get that list half those "fact checks" don't gloss over the lie that Ryan said within those statements that Biden was talking about. Like that comment about the boards
Jack124, unless you actually wrote this, please don't copy-paste text from other peoples' work without giving a reference. That's called plagiarism, you know.
Jack124, unless you actually wrote this, please don't copy-paste text from other peoples' work without giving a reference. That's called plagiarism, you know.
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Liberals: debates are retarded when the guy I like loses
Conservatives: USA USA USA, our guy is awesome, that'll show those libtards!
Liberal wins debate
Liberals: debates are awesome when the guy I like wins
Conservatives: USA USA USA, our guy is awesome, that'll show those libtards!
Biden: "What would you do differently?"
Ryan: "I would show less weakness"
Biden: "What are you talking about, what would you do differently"
Ryan: "Basically do the same thing but not be Democrats, be less weak"
Biden: Throws hands up in the air.
I mean really. Fuck these guys.
That's how I really feel. If you support the republicans on Foreign policy go freaking join the Military because they are going to need bodies after we go to war with freaking Iran and apparently Russia for the amount of times we mention that Russia hates our guts.
I can only assume I will be enraged by the third presidential debate which focuses on Foreign policy. Christ.
Then when some parts of the administration would finally say that, no, in fact there were no protests going on at the time of the attack, they still didn't communicate with each other, as some people continued to say it was in protest for a video. This current government for whatever reason does not want to recognize terrorism still exists, either believing it died with Osama Bin Laden, or, more worrying, believing that everyone in the Middle East likes us enough not to do something like that. Their policy of appeasement is not helping the situation, and I can point to what happened in 1939 as an indicator of where this will go. I'm not saying we need to be cowboys and flip everyone the double bird while balancing an M16 on our massive erection, but we need to show more backbone than Obama and Clinton have shown.
10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.
9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.
8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.
7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.
6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama called for new cuts to embassy security (http://tinyurl.com/8s8c93l) just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.
5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.
4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.
3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."
2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.
1. "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described (http://tinyurl.com/9nrbd2x) his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."
Still better than Romney/Ryan.
Back to the confusion between the two events, it was an extremely confusing time if I remember correctly the news couldn't separate attacks in Libya with the large protests in Egypt. I watched endless people talk about the Muslim brotherhood being behind the Libyan attack when they have nothing to do with Libya. It was an extremely confusing few days. Did shit go wrong? Sure but you are taking one event in four years and saying that we are weak, give me a break.
//drinking at karaoke so I apologize in advance.