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  • That absolutely cannot be the reason I have to live under spray tan hitler.
  • chaosof99 said:

    Watching the debate. How is this election even remotely close?

    We really really don't know.
  • It turns out that America was a lot more racist and sexist than we thought. Folks used to hide that stuff in polite company, but Trump has led them to let their freak flag fly.
  • edited September 2016
    Raithnor said:

    chaosof99 said:

    Watching the debate. How is this election even remotely close? Clinton looks presidential, provides good policy proposals and has a competent answer for everything. Trump is a disruptive child, provides no policy information and offers nothing but bluster when he doesn't straight up lie.

    People want the president to have a penis.
    People also have unresolved Mother/Wife issues.
    While those issues do come into play, it has been my observation that the smear campaign against the Clintons in general and Hillary Clinton in specific, which began in the Gingrich era, continued through Hillary Clinton's campaign for and time serving as Senator, was revived in her presidential bid (this time by both Democrats and Republicans alike), was sparked again with the unprecedented vitriol against the Obama Administration, and the double dose of oil on the fire from the Sanders camp and the numerous Republican nominees has resulted in an entrenched, faith-based hatred of Hillary Clinton.

    This is not to say that Hillary Clinton is a flawless presidential candidate or that her record is beyond reproach. However, I am not seeing anyone attack her on real, verified, and substantial issues. Her detractors have created a dogma built on false scandal and conspiracies to create a religion of hate.
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  • One does have to give it to Hillary, if anyone spent as much time, effort, treasure, and blood, to tear me down for 30+ years as they have done to her I'd have emigrated to another country, changed my name, and lived as a worker in a small shop repairing aiglets for children.

    The amount of hate for her is simply stupefying.
  • RymRym
    edited September 2016

    This is not to say that Hillary Clinton is a flawless presidential candidate or that her record is beyond reproach. However, I am not seeing anyone attack her on real, verified, and substantial issues. Her detractors have created a dogma built on false scandal and conspiracies to create a religion of hate.

    Case in point: no one I ever question on their hatred for her can point to any specific corruption. They don't even remember Whitewater or any of the old contrived scandals, but they simultaneously can't really name any recent ones except BENGHAZI WARGARBLE or EMAILS SHE STOLE THE PRIMARY FROM BERNIE WARGARBLE.

    They just say they don't trust her, and won't defend that point further...

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  • Last night, rather than watch a literal Nazi plot to take over the world, I opted to watch Raiders of the Lost Ark instead. At least my version had a good soundtrack. ... Though I guess both of them ended with the Nazi melting down.
  • Rym said:

    This is not to say that Hillary Clinton is a flawless presidential candidate or that her record is beyond reproach. However, I am not seeing anyone attack her on real, verified, and substantial issues. Her detractors have created a dogma built on false scandal and conspiracies to create a religion of hate.

    Case in point: no one I ever question on their hatred for her can point to any specific corruption. They don't even remember Whitewater or any of the old contrived scandals, but they simultaneously can't really name any recent ones except BENGHAZI WARGARBLE or EMAILS SHE STOLE THE PRIMARY FROM BERNIE WARGARBLE.

    They just say they don't trust her, and won't defend that point further...

    A lot of people blame Hillary directly for US action in Libya for... reasons.
  • People believe in Fox News and InfoWars as truth, thus leading to this debacle.
  • I hit the random button on FX's Simpsons section and it gave me the one where Sideshow Bob runs for mayor. This is eerie.
  • Rachel Maddow on MSNBC is stating that a Newsweek story will drop tomorrow about Trump. It's (supposedly) going to allege that Trump's business operated in Cuba during the embargo, that Trump knew about it, and that his people disguised the trip as charity work.
  • I had someone say to me that interruptions and candidates taking over each other and going way, way overtime is common..... But I can't seem to find any evidence of this. I can't remember ever watching a debate and thinking that one candidate need to STFU and let the other speak without constantly interrupting. I also have not been able to find anything on Google.
  • I kept my word and didn't watch the debates. Reading everyone's reactions to them, I gather they were something like this
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  • Presdential candidate refuses to play ball if the opposing team is there to compete.
    "Everytime I said something, she would say something back."
    The double standards are strong here.
    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-threatens-to-skip-remaining-debates-if-hillary-is-there
  • edited September 2016
    I can't tell if that's a parody article. It's from the New Yorker, but it just sounds made up.

    Okay I'm dumb I just didn't get to the end.
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    Full story here.
    Documents show that the Trump company spent a minimum of $68,000 for its 1998 foray into Cuba at a time when the corporate expenditure of even a penny in the Caribbean country was prohibited without U.S. government approval. But the company did not spend the money directly. Instead, with Trump’s knowledge, executives funneled the cash for the Cuba trip through an American consulting firm called Seven Arrows Investment and Development Corp. Once the business consultants traveled to the island and incurred the expenses for the venture, Seven Arrows instructed senior officers with Trump’s company—then called Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts—how to make it appear legal by linking it after the fact to a charitable effort.

    . . . .

    At the time, Americans traveling to Cuba had to receive specific U.S. government permission, which was granted only for an extremely limited number of purposes, such as humanitarian efforts. Neither an American nor a company based in the United States could spend any cash in Cuba; instead, a foreign charity or similar sponsoring entity needed to pay all expenses, including travel. Without obtaining a license from the federal Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) before the consultants went to Cuba, the undertaking by Trump Hotels would have been in violation of federal law, trade experts say.

    . . . .

    OFAC officials say there is no record that the agency granted any such license to the companies or individuals involved, although they cautioned that some documents from that time have been destroyed. Yet one OFAC official, who agreed to discuss approval procedures if granted anonymity, says the probability that the office would grant a license for work on behalf of an American casino is “essentially zero.”
  • edited September 2016
    Megyn Kelly tells Trump Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway, to grow up.
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  • Megyn Kelly has increasingly been unwilling to let sexist bullshit slide.
  • Oh, bonus points at 5:19 when she hits hard, you can hear someone in the FOX studio laugh offstage.
  • "He's got you."

    Got damn.
  • There's a competency gap from a realpolitik perspective. Trump's campaign is amateurish. The media moguls trying to work with him are quickly realizing that the people he has appointed to the most vital positions are incompetent, forcing them to choose between destroying their credibility with their base, now programmed by the 30 years of smear that these same moguls created, or going down on the Titanic. Priebus isn't doing anyone any favors, punishing Congressional candidates who distance themselves knowing that there's no lifeboat for them and their holds will drown in the carnage. As much struggle as Democratic voters are having with each other, I doubt it will be as damaging as the split it partisan leadership and powerhouses in the GOP.
  • I think that, after the debate that he attacked her, someone at FOX sat down with Megyn Kelly and said, "Look, we've let this go on long enough. He attacked you in a terrible way. The network as a whole can't go after him, but we're letting you off the leash. Go out there and do your stuff".
  • She's said her share of Fox bullshit, but lately she does seem to be one of the most sane ones there.
  • She's said her share of Fox bullshit, but lately she does seem to be one of the most sane ones there.

    You're understating her level of Fox bullshit. Just because I love what she's doing now does not mean she's one of the good ones.
  • She's been changing for some time now. I remember her getting furious at a guest for rejecting an expansion on paid maternity leave. That was probably three years ago. It's didn't just start this election.
  • I think that, after the debate that he attacked her, someone at FOX sat down with Megyn Kelly and said, "Look, we've let this go on long enough. He attacked you in a terrible way. The network as a whole can't go after him, but we're letting you off the leash. Go out there and do your stuff".

    It's also entirely possible, with Roger gone, she has more clout at the network to speak her own mind.
  • edited September 2016
    MATATAT said:

    I can't tell if that's a parody article. It's from the New Yorker, but it just sounds made up.

    Okay I'm dumb I just didn't get to the end.

    The Borowitz Report is kind of like a the New Yorker's version of the Onion.
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  • Raithnor said:

    I think that, after the debate that he attacked her, someone at FOX sat down with Megyn Kelly and said, "Look, we've let this go on long enough. He attacked you in a terrible way. The network as a whole can't go after him, but we're letting you off the leash. Go out there and do your stuff".

    It's also entirely possible, with Roger gone, she has more clout at the network to speak her own mind.
    Definitely a possibility.
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