Incidentally, my ex was going to be a suicide girl. We sent in sample pics, but she never mailed in the model release. Aren't there like, about 500,000 of them now? I remember seeing that site when there were about 15 women.
I don't like it. It's voyeuristic and weird. It has no plot and no artistry in it's medium. I feel like any work of art that contains sexual imagery but in a context where it actually MEANS something can be termed eroticism, not pornography. The whole "Is it art or is it porn" discussion shows that the two things are mutually exclusive. In a way, all porn is YAOI, not in the conventional use of the term, but of it's acronym, No Plot, No Point, No Meaning. I'm not even going to get into the feminist discussions that surround the genre, if it could be called that. I am against Pornagraphy in the same way that I am against prostitution. If it were regulated and the parties involved had a support network, I guess it is their choice...they are free human beings, they can do whatever they want with their bodies. However, I feel that as it stands now, too much of it is just bizarre warped views of sexuality on the part of the (mostly male) consumers.
Whoa. I didn't expect the mention of "suicide girls" to derail the topic. I actually just mentioned it as a joke. I don't think porn is an art either because it's a cheap way to grab the audience's attention. I consider movies that are all flashy graphics and no plot to be porn as well (something along the lines of Advent Children and Ultraviolet.) It's all eye candy and not much of anything else.
*edit: Ok, obviously there are some nice things about Advent Children. It was just the first thing that came to mind.
How about this then -- Porn isn't art. Porn is just porn. So what?
Your points about the porn industry are well-taken. But do you feel that there's something inherently wrong with explicit depictions of sexuality for their own sake?
I inked it with something I bought in Kinokunia. It's some Japaneses type of brush with a refillable cartridge. It's a little difficult to ink with but it forces me to not be lazy.
I bought some real nib pens a few weeks ago, but I haven't had that much time to get used to them, as I'm in production mode right now. Mostly an assortment of Hunt nibs. I'm thinking about trying to get a hold of a G pen, because I keep hearing about how superior they are. That may just be weeabooism, though. Currently, I do all of my "inking" digitally.
Have you ever seen those water filled brushes for water coloring? My ink pen is almost exactly like that but filled with ink and other ink cartridges are available. I tried to look for an image of it in Google images but nothing showed up. I'm not working with the best thing , in fact I also would like to try a G pen. I tried inking digitally with my wacom but I couldn't draw diagonal lines as I wanted them. It was really frustrating so I inked my comics with real ink. I wonder how it will be with the cintiq.
I tried inking digitally with my wacom but I couldn't draw diagonal lines as I wanted them. It was really frustrating so I inked my comics with real ink. I wonder how it will be with the cintiq.
Do you mean freehand diagonal lines? What program are you using? In most good graphics programs (though notably not in Photoshop -- ARRRRGGH!!!) you can rotate the canvas to draw at a more natural angle. For inking comics, I STRONGLY recommend Manga Studio. It's the best thing I've found for digital inking, and it's specifically made for comics. It has a lot of great features that I haven't seen anywhere else -- my favorite is the perspective ruler, which allows you to place your vanishing points, then it auto-detects which vanishing point you're trying to draw toward, and constrains your stroke to a straight line toward that VP. So awesome.
Thanks for the input! Yea , I tried to ink in photoshop but it was frustrating because it would never be the line I wanted. Yes, I could not rotate the screen. Sadly I never decided to move to anything else. I'll try your program for next time. The perspective stuff sounds hot.
Another option you might want to consider is Art Rage Starter Edition. It's a pretty decent graphics program that's free. It does pretty good inking and you have your rotation options too.
I tried inking digitally with my wacom but I couldn't draw diagonal lines as I wanted them. It was really frustrating so I inked my comics with real ink. I wonder how it will be with the cintiq.
Couldn't you just rotate the Wacom tablet to draw the lines at a natural angle?
Unless you have a cintiq, you can't. Mostly because you can't see on the wacom where you are drawing. When you turn the wacom around, you basically lose your place.
You can put a drawing on the tablet and try to trace it but you won't get smooth lines. In order to get smooth lines, you need to zoom in which defeats tracing.
Unless you have a cintiq, you can't. Mostly because you can't see on the wacom where you are drawing. When you turn the wacom around, you basically lose your place.
You can put a drawing on the tablet and try to trace it but you won't get smooth lines. In order to get smooth lines, you need to zoom in which defeats tracing.
But... you can still see the mouse on screen. Note, I have never personally used a tablet, let alone done, art, however, one of the kids next door, who also sucks at art, got his hands on a wacom tablet and could without problem just draw all sorts of things, while turning and twisting the thing around. Note 2: I will never believe that kid's a prodigy.
But... you can still see the mouse on screen. Note, I have never personally used a tablet,
It's a bit difficult to describe, unless you've experienced it yourself. Here's how I can best describe it, when you turn the wacom tablet around, you have to reorient yourself constantly. If you turn your wacom to the left, what is up is now left and down is now right. So you see the mouse cursor on the screen and you want to move it up and to do so you move you have to move your pen to the left. And when you're contantly changing angles it gets confusing. The top of the wacom will always correspond to the top of the screen, the bottom to the bottom of the screen and etc.
Ametto Is right about this. Rotating a wacom tablet will just confuse your brain. However, since i have a cintiq, I can rotate the screen. I haven't tried it yet but I'll tell you how it goes when I do. Currently, I like to work with the cintiq standing up right. You can't freely rotate the thing like this because the screen will hit the table. I've avoided having the cintiq flat on the table because I don't want to hurt my back leaning over it. Right now My table is too tall for my chair. It's pretty hard to lean over. As the projects arise, I'll find new ways to adjust the cintiq, and my work space. But I will try inking with the cintiq's rotation when it comes up.
I know that the top of the tablet stays mapped to the top of the screen when you rotate it, but I'm talking about minor turns, not full 90 degree insanity. For god's sake that's just stupid, nobody is going to rotate an entire Cintiq 90 degrees FFS!. And don't go thinking too hard about it for whenever a person does that they fuck up, no matter what they're doing. What I was talking about was turning it relative to the monitor, heck, no need to have it in your lap, and then also move your upper body along, your strokes will change, but you won't have to re-orient yourself.
Unless of course you have no fricking clue what the hell I'm trying to tell you people and thus will do it the wrong way.
Don't some apps just let you rotate the image you are working on?
Yeah, we were talking about that earlier in the thread.
myself...you need to calm down. Don't start yelling at people if they don't understand what you are saying. Your first question sounded nothing like what you are describing now. You asked whether you can rotate the wacom to draw the lines, which I assumed you meant rotating the wacom tablet itself. I was using the 90 degrees as an example because it's easier to describe it that way. Even at 15 degrees it gets disorienting. What you are describing here sounds like you're moving yourself around the wacom tablet. It works fine though you have to do quite a bit of body twisting. Doesn't sound comfortable at all.
What I was talking about was turning it relative to the monitor, heck, no need to have it in your lap, and then also move your upper body along, your strokes will change, but you won't have to re-orient yourself.
I get what you're saying, but trust me -- it doesn't work. Yeah, you can rotate the tablet and draw at a different angle, and it will come out at a different angle on the screen. But it already takes a lot of practice to get used to drawing on a board and having it come out on the screen even when they're pretty well lined up. When you intentionally rotate the board it just makes it worse. The reason you want to be able to rotate it in the first place is that everyone has certain angles and arcs that their arm naturally follows. When drawing against those angles and arcs, it's difficult to get the precision you need. Trying to guesstimate where your line is going to go when you rotate your tablet relative to the screen is only going to make it worse.
So yeah, unless you have a Cintiq or equivalent, the best option is a program that lets you arbitrarily rotate the canvas for better drawing angles.
Speaking of Cintiqs -- I'm not convinced. Maybe it's because I've been drawing on regular Wacoms for over a decade, but I like drawing in my lap and having it come up on the screen. Better than hunching over a board.
Speaking of Cintiqs -- I'm not convinced. Maybe it's because I've been drawing on regular Wacoms for over a decade, but I like drawing in my lap and having it come up on the screen. Better than hunching over a board.
I've used my wacom tablet for more then 5 years before I finally got a A Cintiq. I didn't even think it would help much... just like I thought my 3 year old PC was good enough to make art. In both cases, I was shocked at how much I gained. We are only talking in terms of Cintiq, so I won't bring up the issues with the old PC. Even though the Wacom tablet is great, I still had some issues with getting it to be the actual line I wanted. With the Cintiq, I mostly get the line that I set out to make. I barely hit undo now. My creativity isn't hindered by the eye hand coordination issues. It's more natural creativity like if you were on paper. Cintiq doesn't replace mouse. I still use a mouse to navigate in Photoshop and do Photoshopy things like add effects and stuff. It's best if you like to paint, mix colors, make animations... You don't have to lean over a Cintiq. I like sitting up right and working with it standing up right. Though leaning back with a tablet in your lap and seeing the image on the screen IS relaxing.
What you are describing here sounds like you're moving yourself around the wacom tablet.
No, what I am describing is you moving the tablet, AND yourself as to create a better drawing angle. As for the body twisting, you're imagining something crazy, for all you have to do is turn left or right in your seat, and unless you do not have an average desk chair, that shouldn't be a problem at all.
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I don't think porn is an art either because it's a cheap way to grab the audience's attention. I consider movies that are all flashy graphics and no plot to be porn as well (something along the lines of Advent Children and Ultraviolet.) It's all eye candy and not much of anything else.
*edit: Ok, obviously there are some nice things about Advent Children. It was just the first thing that came to mind.
Your points about the porn industry are well-taken. But do you feel that there's something inherently wrong with explicit depictions of sexuality for their own sake?
It's some Japaneses type of brush with a refillable cartridge. It's a little difficult to ink with but it forces me to not be lazy.
I bought some real nib pens a few weeks ago, but I haven't had that much time to get used to them, as I'm in production mode right now. Mostly an assortment of Hunt nibs. I'm thinking about trying to get a hold of a G pen, because I keep hearing about how superior they are. That may just be weeabooism, though. Currently, I do all of my "inking" digitally.
I tried inking digitally with my wacom but I couldn't draw diagonal lines as I wanted them. It was really frustrating so I inked my comics with real ink. I wonder how it will be with the cintiq.
Another option you might want to consider is Art Rage Starter Edition. It's a pretty decent graphics program that's free. It does pretty good inking and you have your rotation options too.
You can put a drawing on the tablet and try to trace it but you won't get smooth lines. In order to get smooth lines, you need to zoom in which defeats tracing.
Maybe we need a "Drawing tablets and programs" thread
Unless of course you have no fricking clue what the hell I'm trying to tell you people and thus will do it the wrong way.
myself...you need to calm down. Don't start yelling at people if they don't understand what you are saying. Your first question sounded nothing like what you are describing now. You asked whether you can rotate the wacom to draw the lines, which I assumed you meant rotating the wacom tablet itself. I was using the 90 degrees as an example because it's easier to describe it that way. Even at 15 degrees it gets disorienting. What you are describing here sounds like you're moving yourself around the wacom tablet. It works fine though you have to do quite a bit of body twisting. Doesn't sound comfortable at all.
So yeah, unless you have a Cintiq or equivalent, the best option is a program that lets you arbitrarily rotate the canvas for better drawing angles.
Speaking of Cintiqs -- I'm not convinced. Maybe it's because I've been drawing on regular Wacoms for over a decade, but I like drawing in my lap and having it come up on the screen. Better than hunching over a board.
You don't have to lean over a Cintiq. I like sitting up right and working with it standing up right. Though leaning back with a tablet in your lap and seeing the image on the screen IS relaxing.
These are sketchier since they were done in a cafe and also done with no pencil lines.
@ Mankoon, gah more great art o.o