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From personal experience, I know that at my old gym, when the Krav Maga guys would drop in on the muay thai and BJJ classes, they were basically ragdolls, and we could do whatever we wanted to them.
That doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other. It depends on their skill of course. Our wrestling team in high school had a member who was training in BJJ for several years and he wasn't terribly good at wrestling. He still lost in tournaments about the same as all the other new comers.
Of course, yes, it depends on their skill. However, I did regularly see guys who'd been in the BJJ and muay thai classes for a couple of months dominating people who'd been in the Krav Maga class for over a year. Now, it's entirely possible that those Krav guys were much better prepared to deal with someone attacking them with a knife or a gun, but I have to say, I don't think they were very well prepared for someone punching them. I know this is all anecdotal, so take it for what it's worth.
thanks for the info, guys. I don't know, I'm still pretty skeptical, and will probably remain skeptical until I can see some of this stuff being done full speed against someone who isn't an "accomplice". I don't doubt that they might know how to punch really hard and some stuff like that, but that doesn't necessarily say much for actually being able to fight.
I guess it's entirely possible that systema has a whole other wing of practical fighting skills that are trained in hard sparring, but I haven't been able to find any evidence of it on Youtube.
Churba, maybe I'll check out this Martin Wheeler guy some time, and I'll let you know. Maybe we can both go down there once you get out here.
As a side note, Churba and I had a bit of a discussion about aikido a while back, and aikido's in the same boat. I spent about an hour scouring Youtube for aikido videos that were anything but demonstrations with compliant partners, and couldn't find a single one. That sort of thing makes me really suspicious that maybe they have something to hide.
In BJJ, you learn never to show your back to your opponent, and you learn to go straight your back whenever you're taken down. Obviously, the wrong thing to do in wrestling. It's also worth nothing that BJJ is very much an incomplete grappling art, which is severely lacking in takedown techniques and defense.
Have you guys ever tried pen fighting? Strip naked to the waist, hold a chunky felt tipped pen each, and pretend they are knives. The rules are that you can only strike with the pen, but you are allowed to block or grapple or grab. I've done this a few times, and learned a lot about reaction times and leaving space between me and an opponent. It's really, really good fun.
Dammit Andrew, me so jelly.
Edit - Andrew, how you doing with it currently? I'm actually quite interesting in your progress, how you getting along? Feeling confident for the tourney? Still going?
I keep saying, you should get back into it, man! Do what I do, don't think about it, don't mull it over, just fucking do it.
I love it, been practicing around three times a week, although I've had miss a class this week due to work. I've also started staying for the more advanced practice which is really killing me, but I know it will be worth it.
I go to my one on one practice with a friend, maybe I'll post it here.
As a side note, my feet are getting pretty fucked from it. Getting blisters on your blisters is not fun.
Word, man. Is there anything you can do about it? Put some pads in your boots? Wear different socks? I don't know the protocol there.
I'm quite glad you enjoy it - there are some people who get into martial arts, and they end up just grinding through it for the sake of grinding through it, because they WANT to be good at it, but they don't ENJOY getting there.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'd be pretty interested and appreciative of that.
the worst part is that I'm still not used to the sheer physical endurance required
You practice kendo barefoot haha. I've bandaged my feet once or twice for practice, but my feet are starting to slowly callus over. I'm getting used to the pain, the worst part is that I'm still not used to the sheer physical endurance required (although a lot of the problems stem from the fact that I overly tense myself).
So this was a BJJ tournament, right? And you're a judo orange belt? Hell, holding off a blue belt that long is an accomplishment in itself. My first BJJ tournament, I only got one match, and I lost.What are your favorite throws? Favorite submissions?
This was at a submission grappling tournament, and I was lucky enough to get four matches, which I lost.
As for favorite techniques, my Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi is my standby for getting people moving and trying to open them up, and I like to follow with a Kouchi/Ouchi Gari. I'm working on my Harai Goshi and Uhci Mata, but most of my hip throws need work in randori. I've also been putting some work into my deashi harai lately, ever since a brown belt got me with a no-handed one.
In terms of submissions, I like the triangle choke from all angles, and my teacher has us work it from all angles, from the back, attacking the turtle, off your back, etc... I am also a big fan of the rubber guard, thanks to how flexible I am, and I really like the gogoplata from that position.
Anybody who says boxing isn't a practical martial art is kidding themselves. It's not acompletemartial art, of course, but go find some videos of Chuck Liddell flattening BJJ champions and tell me it doesn't have a very real application.
and it won't teach you to take on multiple opponents
It is, however, the straight-up most efficient and powerful way to punch the crap out of somebody.
It is, however, the straight-up most efficient and powerful way to punch the crap out of somebody.It is also, unfortunately, straight-up the most efficient and powerful way to break your hands in a real fight.
If you use correct technique, maintain decent wrist and hand strength, and hit a heavy bag regularly, your hands won't break.