I'm ok, with this. This really is a problem that's localized to California. The immediate effects were only relevant to the area surrounding the refinery and the last effects (gasoline shortage) will only affect California.
I'm ok, with this. This really is a problem that's localized to California. The immediate effects were only relevant to the area surrounding the refinery and the last effects (gasoline shortage) will only affect California.
The fact that it happened, especially in wake of the gulf spill (which was a big fat sham and is still an ecological nightmare last I checked), the fact that Chevron doesn't know the cause... I think it's nationally relevant especially since the source of the disaster is an industry receiving billions in federal subsidies and questionably regulated.
The fact that it happened, especially in wake of the gulf spill (which was a big fat sham and is still an ecological nightmare last I checked), the fact that Chevron doesn't know the cause... I think it's nationally relevant especially since the source of the disaster is an industry receiving billions in federal subsidies and questionably regulated.
I think that's a little unfair. It's hard to investigate the cause when the place is still really, really on fire. Let the joint be somewhat less...well, y'know, on fire before giving them a hard time about not knowing the cause of the problem, or not properly investigating. I'm sure that a full investigation will be conducted when it's safe to do so.
The fact that it happened, especially in wake of the gulf spill (which was a big fat sham and is still an ecological nightmare last I checked), the fact that Chevron doesn't know the cause... I think it's nationally relevant especially since the source of the disaster is an industry receiving billions in federal subsidies and questionably regulated.
I think that's a little unfair. It's hard to investigate the cause when the place is still really, really on fire. Let the joint be somewhat less...well, y'know, on fire before giving them a hard time about not knowing the cause of the problem, or not properly investigating. I'm sure that a full investigation will be conducted when it's safe to do so.
Then no one held accountable and the whole thing forgotten in a week. By the way, here's your federal subsidy check, Chevron.
Chevron was only made to pay when they fucked up a foreign country. Here in the US, they're good to go.
Then no one held accountable and the whole thing forgotten in a week. By the way, here's your federal subsidy check, Chevron.
Chevron was only made to pay when they fucked up a foreign country. Here in the US, they're good to go.
Yes, and that's when it becomes some bullshit we should be complaining about - But we can't justify giving them stick because they haven't investigated the cause of the fire, when the joint is still on fire. A burning refinery is really not a place you want to be, after all.
Then no one held accountable and the whole thing forgotten in a week. By the way, here's your federal subsidy check, Chevron.
Chevron was only made to pay when they fucked up a foreign country. Here in the US, they're good to go.
Yes, and that's when it becomes some bullshit we should be complaining about - But we can't justify giving them stick because they haven't investigated the cause of the fire, when the joint is still on fire. A burning refinery is really not a place you want to be, after all.
I fully understand your sentiment but I'm burned out on rational fairness when it comes to US big industry at this point.
Then no one held accountable and the whole thing forgotten in a week. By the way, here's your federal subsidy check, Chevron.
Chevron was only made to pay when they fucked up a foreign country. Here in the US, they're good to go.
Yes, and that's when it becomes some bullshit we should be complaining about - But we can't justify giving them stick because they haven't investigated the cause of the fire, when the joint is still on fire. A burning refinery is really not a place you want to be, after all.
I fully understand your sentiment but I'm burned out on rational fairness when it comes to US big industry at this point.
I'm not. Simply because said rational fairness gives you the edge. Actual events always hit harder than anticipated outcomes. If you want to hit them hard, hit them with something they've done(or failed to do when they should), not something they are yet to do. If you're gonna take a shot at someone, you gotta load the gun first. Or, of course, let them load it for you, as long as you check your rounds first.
Then no one held accountable and the whole thing forgotten in a week. By the way, here's your federal subsidy check, Chevron.
Chevron was only made to pay when they fucked up a foreign country. Here in the US, they're good to go.
Yes, and that's when it becomes some bullshit we should be complaining about - But we can't justify giving them stick because they haven't investigated the cause of the fire, when the joint is still on fire. A burning refinery is really not a place you want to be, after all.
I fully understand your sentiment but I'm burned out on rational fairness when it comes to US big industry at this point.
I'm not. Simply because said rational fairness gives you the edge. Actual events always hit harder than anticipated outcomes. If you want to hit them hard, hit them with something they've done(or failed to do when they should), not something they are yet to do. If you're gonna take a shot at someone, you gotta load the gun first.
It gives you the moral high ground but as for an edge, I'm not sure it does, using the current sociopolitical state of the United States as a visual aid.
Rational fairness doesn't really come into play here, though. There's a burning distillate core that's probably several thousand degrees by now and a fire billowing clouds of acid into the air. Yeah, that's a lot of pollution, but there's nothing you can do in this case except cutting the lines and waiting for the thing to burn out--sending people in would be sending good men to die.
Just rest assured that unlike the Gulf Spill, there's an easy and certain fix for this one. Be happy the entire refinery didn't light up.
Rational fairness doesn't really come into play here, though. There's a burning distillate core that's probably several thousand degrees by now and a fire billowing clouds of acid into the air. Yeah, that's a lot of pollution, but there's nothing you can do in this case except cutting the lines and waiting for the thing to burn out--sending people in would be sending good men to die.
Just rest assured that unlike the Gulf Spill, there's an easy and certain fix for this one. Be happy the entire refinery didn't light up.
The easy and certain fix is that the air will be filtered clean by everybody's lungs.
Chevron said the fire was contained. Billowing acid into the air sounds like the opposite of that.
Contained means that the fire won't spread to other parts of the refinery. The fix was closing off pipelines to prevent that; smoke and acid are going to come from an oil fire if it's at a refinery or a power plant.
The real ecological disaster would have been a shut-off failure. Then, you'd have several hundred acres of refinery burning who knows how much oil after the core exploded. Right now, we're looking at output comparable to a few coal plants. Bad? Yes, very. But it isn't mass evacuation bad like the alternative would be.
Doubtful that will even be the case. H2SO4 will dissolve into clouds and we'll see some enviromental damage, yeah, but this certainly isn't Bhopal. I think damage will be limited as the cloud disperses with wind.
Don't get me wrong, Chevron should pay damages if they're found to be at fault, but the scale of this disaster is nothing compared to Fukushima or the BP spill.
Media coverage instead of polite silence. There's no reason this shouldn't be national news. A power plant fire would be. A hospital fire would be. This isn't because it's oil and the 6 corporations that own US mainstream media don't want it covered.
I'm not saying this specific incident is pitchfork and torch material, but the silence is not because it's not "big enough" for national news.
Media coverage instead of polite silence. There's no reason this shouldn't be national news. A power plant fire would be. A hospital fire would be. This isn't because it's oil and the 6 corporations that own US mainstream media don't want it covered.
I'm not saying this specific incident is pitchfork and torch material, but the silence is not because it's not "big enough" for national news.
No one died, and we wont have a picture of the environmental side effects for a while yet.
If I was in charge of a news outlet I'd concentrate my coverage on the temple shooting in Milwaukee, and come back to this once I had something solid to slam Chevron with.
"Six Dead in Tragic Shooting Spree" makes a better headline than "Fire in California may or may not Have Unspecified Environmental Effects"
I always feel a little awkward with that shirt, especially when dealing with people who actually had to deal with Communist governments for reals. It's a funny shirt, but sometimes I feel uncomfortable, like I want to explain that I don't take Lenin, Stalin, and Mao lightly.
I resently realized that Dark Souls might be the only videogame where I have trigger discipline. In it whenever I talk to an npc I move my right index finger away from the trigger buttons.
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Chevron was only made to pay when they fucked up a foreign country. Here in the US, they're good to go.
Just rest assured that unlike the Gulf Spill, there's an easy and certain fix for this one. Be happy the entire refinery didn't light up.
Chevron said the fire was contained. Billowing acid into the air sounds like the opposite of that.
The real ecological disaster would have been a shut-off failure. Then, you'd have several hundred acres of refinery burning who knows how much oil after the core exploded. Right now, we're looking at output comparable to a few coal plants. Bad? Yes, very. But it isn't mass evacuation bad like the alternative would be.
Don't get me wrong, Chevron should pay damages if they're found to be at fault, but the scale of this disaster is nothing compared to Fukushima or the BP spill.
I'm not saying this specific incident is pitchfork and torch material, but the silence is not because it's not "big enough" for national news.
If I was in charge of a news outlet I'd concentrate my coverage on the temple shooting in Milwaukee, and come back to this once I had something solid to slam Chevron with.
"Six Dead in Tragic Shooting Spree" makes a better headline than "Fire in California may or may not Have Unspecified Environmental Effects"
Also, Counterstrike confuses me.
Cover experiment. Thoughts?