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  • Why no one comment on my video? T_T
  • Do airlines, Jet Blue in specific, still make you turn off your e-reader devices like Kindle, iPad, during takeoff still? Even when the device has an "Airplane" mode?
  • Do airlines, Jet Blue in specific, still make you turn off your e-reader devices like Kindle, iPad, during takeoff still? Even when the device has an "Airplane" mode?
    Yes. The rules say that all electronic devices must be turned 100% completely OFF during takeoff and landing.
  • Is this one of those stupid rules that are made by people who don't understand technology or is there actual cause for concern and precaution?
  • Do airlines, Jet Blue in specific, still make you turn off your e-reader devices like Kindle, iPad, during takeoff still? Even when the device has an "Airplane" mode?
    Yes. The rules say that all electronic devices must be turned 100% completely OFF during takeoff and landing.
    Kindle still displays even when it's "off." There is no "off" button: the screen is passive and uses no power to maintain a display. ;^)
  • Is this one of those stupid rules that are made by people who don't understand technology or is there actual cause for concern and precaution?
    Maybe if we say his name three times he'll come to answer your question.

    CHURBA CHURBA CHURBA

    (if I recall, the answer is yes, there is cause for concern, so shut the fuck up and listen)
  • edited February 2012
    Is this one of those stupid rules that are made by people who don't understand technology or is there actual cause for concern and precaution?
    Bit of column A, bit of column B.

    There is some "This is stupid, what's wrong with you" in it from both sides, basically. There are times where - though the chances are low per phone that it will cause a problem - you really don't want to have people on the phone or doing other things, usually times when things may go wrong very quick and very badly, for example, applying anti-ice solutions, refueling, and takeoff and landing. Not only could it go badly if you're occupied with the phone or what have you(and make no mistake, people are fucking stupid, they'd try to finish the call if their seat was on fire), but you are my eyes and ears, my arse is strapped into a jump seat at the back or front, where I can't see shit outside, I can only see you and what you're doing. So I'm watching your reactions and what you're doing, listening to what you're doing and saying, along with listening to the aircraft and feeling the aircraft with my highly developed arse sense.

    Once you're in the air, it's not so bad, but there it's a case of different problems with the laws - it's easier to ban all devices than to certify every device one by one, and then train everybody to tell them apart - they're not likely to cause a problem at cruise, but that's the column A part.
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  • Well I plan on bringing knitting anyways, so I'll just do that when we take off, even though I have my patterns uploaded onto my iPad.
  • edited February 2012
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft
    And here's the money shot phrase -
    The cost of an accident, should one occur, could be extremely high in terms of human life and the risk is completely avoidable in that no one absolutely needs to use their mobile phone in flight. The regulatory agencies and aviation industry take the position that any increased risk is unacceptable if it is avoidable.
    EDIT - Also, the greatest argument I've ever heard as to why mobile phones should be allowed for use on planes: "Well, what if someone has a heart attack or something, we could call 911. It could save lives."

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  • Do airlines, Jet Blue in specific, still make you turn off your e-reader devices like Kindle, iPad, during takeoff still? Even when the device has an "Airplane" mode?
    Yes. The rules say that all electronic devices must be turned 100% completely OFF during takeoff and landing.
    Kindle still displays even when it's "off." There is no "off" button: the screen is passive and uses no power to maintain a display. ;^)
    Wrong. If you hold the off switch for 5 seconds, the memory dumps and the screen goes blank; the radios (if you have a 3G Kindle) shut off as well.

  • I thought mobile phones don't even work up in the air midflight, because you are flying to fast for them to connect to a tower properly and get very poor reception.
  • Well, when I took my first pilot's lesson, the instructor did say that you should turn at least put your mobile phones into airplane mode as they could cause noises on the headsets that could make it hard to hear the radio -- the same sorts you get when you have a phone next to some speakers or whatever. I'll buy this, but while this is legit in a small 4 person Cessna, I doubt it would affect someone in the cockpit of a 737.
  • I thought mobile phones don't even work up in the air midflight, because you are flying to fast for them to connect to a tower properly and get very poor reception.
    They sometimes do, sometimes don't. It's a matter of luck, altitude, speed, weather.
    Well, when I took my first pilot's lesson, the instructor did say that you should turn at least put your mobile phones into airplane mode as they could cause noises on the headsets that could make it hard to hear the radio -- the same sorts you get when you have a phone next to some speakers or whatever. I'll buy this, but while this is legit in a small 4 person Cessna, I doubt it would affect someone in the cockpit of a 737.
    Nope, it's legit - a 737 is ten times the size of a Cessna, but the radios work just the same way. The size of the area you're talking about of it might be a little different - I mean, if you were going to be thirty feet away from the cockpit in a Cessna, you'd probably want a parachute - but the radios are still susceptible to interference.
  • Raw dog her?
  • Nope, it's legit - a 737 is ten times the size of a Cessna, but the radios work just the same way. The size of the area you're talking about of it might be a little different - I mean, if you were going to be thirty feet away from the cockpit in a Cessna, you'd probably want a parachute - but the radios are still susceptible to interference.
    I know the radios work the same way -- however, if you're way back in the passenger cabin, you're probably far enough away from the cockpit that interference won't matter. The "interference" the instructor was talking about wasn't so much blocking the radios themselves from working -- it was the buzzing noise that cell phones sometimes generate on speakers cropping up in the pilots' headsets. He said the radios would still work fine -- you just may not hear what's going on due to the buzzing.
  • Nope, it's legit - a 737 is ten times the size of a Cessna, but the radios work just the same way. The size of the area you're talking about of it might be a little different - I mean, if you were going to be thirty feet away from the cockpit in a Cessna, you'd probably want a parachute - but the radios are still susceptible to interference.
    I know the radios work the same way -- however, if you're way back in the passenger cabin, you're probably far enough away from the cockpit that interference won't matter. The "interference" the instructor was talking about wasn't so much blocking the radios themselves from working -- it was the buzzing noise that cell phones sometimes generate on speakers cropping up in the pilots' headsets. He said the radios would still work fine -- you just may not hear what's going on due to the buzzing.
    You'd be surprised - it's far from uncommon to have radio interference from mobiles, even on the larger planes.

  • You'd be surprised - it's far from uncommon to have radio interference from mobiles, even on the larger planes.
    The Mythbusters disagree with you. :)
  • edited February 2012
    You'd be surprised - it's far from uncommon to have radio interference from mobiles, even on the larger planes.
    The Mythbusters disagree with you. :)
    The mythbusters? That's the best you got? Give me an experiment that doesn't have holes you can drive an A380 through.

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  • You'd be surprised - it's far from uncommon to have radio interference from mobiles, even on the larger planes.
    The Mythbusters disagree with you. :)
    The scientific consensus is, as far as I can tell "fuck if we know, best stay safe for now." Mythbusters is a fantastic show, and can be very educational and entertaining, but it's far from actual science.
  • You'd be surprised - it's far from uncommon to have radio interference from mobiles, even on the larger planes.
    The Mythbusters disagree with you. :)
    The scientific consensus is, as far as I can tell "fuck if we know, best stay safe for now." Mythbusters is a fantastic show, and can be very educational and entertaining, but it's far from actual science.
    Yeah... I found a report from Boeing that basically stated that "we haven't been able to confirm that cell phones cause any anomalies, but we've seen weird stuff anyway so let's play it safe."
  • Yeah... I found a report from Boeing that basically stated that "we haven't been able to confirm that cell phones cause any anomalies, but we've seen weird stuff anyway so let's play it safe."
    Pretty much. And to give the one paragraph version of what the entire aviation industry thinks, as I quoted before:
    The cost of an accident, should one occur, could be extremely high in terms of human life and the risk is completely avoidable in that no one absolutely needs to use their mobile phone in flight. The regulatory agencies and aviation industry take the position that any increased risk is unacceptable if it is avoidable.
  • You'd be surprised - it's far from uncommon to have radio interference from mobiles, even on the larger planes.
    The Mythbusters disagree with you. :)
    The scientific consensus is, as far as I can tell "fuck if we know, best stay safe for now." Mythbusters is a fantastic show, and can be very educational and entertaining, but it's far from actual science.
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    Like you didn't see that coming.
  • Like you didn't see that coming.
    Yep. But that being true doesn't change the fact that while they're teaching people to experiment, it doesn't mean their experiments stand up to the test of scientific rigour. Which is the problem at this juncture, not how educational or useful they are.
  • Could one of you Counterstrike players kindly explain Gungame to me? I'm aware it's a CS server mod, but I'd like to know how it changes gameplay.
  • Could one of you Counterstrike players kindly explain Gungame to me? I'm aware it's a CS server mod, but I'd like to know how it changes gameplay.
    The specific rules vary from server to server, but the basic idea is this. Everyone starts at level 1 with a particular gun. You get kills to level up to the next gun. The first person to get all the levels and get the kills with every gun is the winner.

    Most servers make you get one kill to level up to the next gun, but I have played on servers that make you get two kills.

    The order of the guns is different on every server. Usually it is awp first with grenade and knife last.

    Some servers allow you to accumulate money and !buylevel to skip guns you are no good at. They usually don't allow you to skip grenade or knife no matter how much money you have.

    Almost every server allows you to use knife even if it is not knife level. If you get a knife kill, the other guy loses levels.

    Some servers have respawn, so you just keep playing. Some servers have rounds like normal Counter-Strike.

    Some servers have duels. When there are only two people left they can either enter a duel and are forced to knife fight, or they can just chicken out and keep playing.

    Some servers automatically turn on FF once a player reaches grenade level.

    And so on and so on.
  • edited February 2012
    Question: Scott's always saying that you should only run pirate software sandboxed somehow. I get that. Now, that said, it's trivial to disable online authentication from Adobe and use a generated key to validate a copy of the Master Collection downloaded from their site. So, why not just run the keygen in a VM, and then plug it into a legit copy of the Master Collection on your actual PC?
    Post edited by WindUpBird on
  • Question: Scott's always saying that you should only run pirate software sandboxed somehow. I get that. Now, that said, it's trivial to disable online authentication from Adobe and use a generated key to validate a copy of the Master Collection downloaded from their site. So, why not just run the keygen in a VM, and then plug it into a legit copy of the Master Collection on your actual PC?
    OMG, that is possible? And it works? How about one of you guys runs the keygen and generate a bunch of keys. Then send me one of them.
  • You just have to block activate.adobe.com in your HOSTS file.
  • Question: Scott's always saying that you should only run pirate software sandboxed somehow. I get that. Now, that said, it's trivial to disable online authentication from Adobe and use a generated key to validate a copy of the Master Collection downloaded from their site. So, why not just run the keygen in a VM, and then plug it into a legit copy of the Master Collection on your actual PC?
    OMG, that is possible? And it works? How about one of you guys runs the keygen and generate a bunch of keys. Then send me one of them.
    Okay, there's a vagary here that I need cleared up. Why do we need do get the keygen and run it? Just boot up XP in a VM and do it all yourself, right? That shouldn't expose your system to any risk?

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