Solid advice Churba. That's the tack I always take with prospective customers and I haven't yet had one complain that they got the wrong gun. Of course, I've ended up selling them my competitors guns a few times, but better no sale than a pissed off customer.
Exactly. The customer that buys a competitor's gun, but walks away satisfied, is a customer that comes to you again in future - it's a long-term play, rather than a short term cash-grab. And hey, it's not like you don't still get a cut of the cake.
I loved my dad's Hi Power but they stopped making them so any you find might be set at "collectible" pricing.
What? No, they do. You can buy the Mark III and the Standard directly from Browning Firearms, brand new fresh off the manufacturing line, as well as from just about any Browning reseller.
Ah okay might have just been his particular model of Hi Power that was out of production.
If you've got the cash, buy the .40 and get a 9mm barrel for it. 2 guns in one!
That won't work. You get a .40 and buy a .357 sig barrel.
Personally, I'd go with a 9mm. It's cheaper to shoot. As for stopping power, it's really moot. Most of your common handgun calibers are sucky for stopping power. A rifle/shotgun level of energy is what you want in that situation.
I'm stunned the rounds are extracting properly. However, Lone Wolf generally doesn't make shit, so if they say it'll work I'm damn impressed and stand corrected.
Rym, where are you seeing "gun apologists"? I haven't seen anything but shock from this, not even humor. And I inhabit the most cynical, jaded parts of the Internet.
Rym, where are you seeing "gun apologists"? I haven't seen anything but shock from this, not even humor. And I inhabit the most cynical, jaded parts of the Internet.
Look at the ridiculous number of tweets and posts already saying we should talk about gun control or anything in the wake of the tragedy "out of respect."
Rym, where are you seeing "gun apologists"? I haven't seen anything but shock from this, not even humor. And I inhabit the most cynical, jaded parts of the Internet.
Look at the ridiculous number of tweets and posts already saying we should talk about gun control or anything in the wake of the tragedy "out of respect."
Out of respect is a bullshit answer. "Because we are too near the tragedy and may be seeing things too emotionally." might be a better one, but is still bullshit.
We need to have a chat with the country. I'll get a cup of cocoa ready, you go ahead and get them on the couch. It's time for a chat.
Ken Jennings hitting the nail on the head: “@KenJennings: If those elementary school kids had been carrying, like the Founding Fathers intended, this never would have happened.”
This is actually the last straw for me. For most of my life, I've been extremely ambivalent about gun control. But I just can't justify that ambivalence anymore in the wake of the fact that I learned about this most recent mass shooting when a co-worker said "hey, there was just a mass shooting" and I said "the one from yesterday?" When he said "No, a new one today," I was done.
I hereby shift my opinion on gun regulation from ambivalence to being in favor of heavy-handed federal regulation, and I'm not too concerned with collateral damage to the sport side of the hobby.
Rym, the shooting was not legal. Bringing a gun on school grounds is illegal in CT.
And?
Odds are the gun itself was legal. I'm pretty sure most gun fatalities in the US are from legal, registered (if required) guns. A good number of them are suicides.
I'd rather it be more difficult for people to get legal guns, and have better registration and tracking of said guns. That's independent of addressing the issue of illegal guns.
Yes, as opposed to all those other legal mass shootings.
Shut the fuck up.
Hey, bud. Kindly fuck the fuck off. Steve's trying to present the other side here, your response was flippant and useless. Do you want good natured debate where ideas are tempered into good ideas, or a chance to be angry.
We also need extremely severe penalties for dealers who circumvent rules.
I'd like to have national registration and a national regime. I think we may be beyond the point where individual states can be trusted to manage themselves in this regard.
Law breakers by definition break laws to commit their crimes.
Newtown CT is not a high crime town so even though they have some security measures in place they do not have metal detectors in the building. They do lock the building after the kids arrive and the office has to buzz you in if you arrive during school hours.
What change to the gun laws on the books in CT would have prevented this from happening OR what security changes could the schools make?
Rym, where are you seeing "gun apologists"? I haven't seen anything but shock from this, not even humor. And I inhabit the most cynical, jaded parts of the Internet.
Look at the ridiculous number of tweets and posts already saying we should talk about gun control or anything in the wake of the tragedy "out of respect."
Well, I guess I'm sort of behind that opinion, but only if you can count "How about both sides shut the fuck up and at least let the bodies cool before using them to prop up your fucking agenda" as falling under that umbrella.
Other than that, following my own advice, I'm not taking part in this argument. We've had it before, and I'll bet there won't be many if any new arguments this time around.
Well, I guess I'm sort of behind that opinion, but only if you can count "How about both sides shut the fuck up and at least let the bodies cool before using them to prop up your fucking agenda" as falling under that umbrella.
Other than that, following my own advice, I'm not taking part in this argument. We've had it before, and I'll bet there won't be many if any new arguments this time around.
Ditto. I am curious because this is the first time Rym has put his weight behind an actual opinion other than "meh". Usually his opinions are well reasoned and nicely thought out, so I'm curious to see what he ends up supporting. Aside from that, I bet I know exactly where this is going.
What change to the gun laws on the books in CT would have prevented this from happening OR what security changes could the schools make?
For example, severely limited legal access to guns would make it more difficult for a gun culture to continue.
National registration would make it much more difficult to traffic illegal guns.
Mental health evaluations, background checks, and waiting periods required for ANY gun transfer would go a long way toward making it difficult for mentally imbalanced people to get a weapon, and also make it much easier to identify and punish dealers and others who make dubious gun transactions.
Yeah, everyone's saying the shooter is deceased - wondering why they handcuffed and arrested that other guy. They're saying he's not a suspect. Maybe an accomplice?
What change to the gun laws on the books in CT would have prevented this from happening OR what security changes could the schools make?
For example, severely limited legal access to guns would make it more difficult for a gun culture to continue.
National registration would make it much more difficult to traffic illegal guns.
Mental health evaluations, background checks, and waiting periods required for ANY gun transfer would go a long way toward making it difficult for mentally imbalanced people to get a weapon, and also make it much easier to identify and punish dealers and others who make dubious gun transactions.
How do you handle the large number of firearms already out there? Up the punishment for any crime committed while using a gun, regardless of whether or not it was fired?
I hate how this always becomes about guns. That's not the issue here. If there were no guns in the entire world, crazy people would still kill people, just less of them. Raising gun control is treating the symptom.
Make the people not want to kill people. Fix our mental health infrastructure. That will protect people better than gun control.
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/just sayin'
We need to have a chat with the country. I'll get a cup of cocoa ready, you go ahead and get them on the couch. It's time for a chat.
“@KenJennings: If those elementary school kids had been carrying, like the Founding Fathers intended, this never would have happened.”
Local news says it started in an admin meeting. I have also heard that the kids were all from the same class.
Kids were told to avert their eyes when filing past main office area while evacuating the school .
I hereby shift my opinion on gun regulation from ambivalence to being in favor of heavy-handed federal regulation, and I'm not too concerned with collateral damage to the sport side of the hobby.
Odds are the gun itself was legal. I'm pretty sure most gun fatalities in the US are from legal, registered (if required) guns. A good number of them are suicides.
I'd rather it be more difficult for people to get legal guns, and have better registration and tracking of said guns. That's independent of addressing the issue of illegal guns.
I think we need better enforcement of all current laws.
Shut the fuck up.
I'd like to have national registration and a national regime. I think we may be beyond the point where individual states can be trusted to manage themselves in this regard.
Newtown CT is not a high crime town so even though they have some security measures in place they do not have metal detectors in the building. They do lock the building after the kids arrive and the office has to buzz you in if you arrive during school hours.
What change to the gun laws on the books in CT would have prevented this from happening OR what security changes could the schools make?
Other than that, following my own advice, I'm not taking part in this argument. We've had it before, and I'll bet there won't be many if any new arguments this time around.
Police started shooter search and evac on arrival.
Several fatalities at scene. Shooter deceased on site. Warrants being granted.
That's it from State Police news conference.
No numbers given for dead/wounded.
National registration would make it much more difficult to traffic illegal guns.
Mental health evaluations, background checks, and waiting periods required for ANY gun transfer would go a long way toward making it difficult for mentally imbalanced people to get a weapon, and also make it much easier to identify and punish dealers and others who make dubious gun transactions.
Make the people not want to kill people. Fix our mental health infrastructure. That will protect people better than gun control.