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  • Also, there are mighty amount of crazy people out there. The problem is that those crazy people are not my friends and they live very far away from my parts in VA.
    I am just happy that Va and Md are blue in nowadays.
  • edited August 2016
    Trump just argued with a baby and had it thrown out of one of his apperances.

    This man is a candidate.

    I also made the mistake of clicking on a meme on Facebook. It called liberals mentally ill for voting for Hillary because she is rich, white, and cheated to get the nomination. The irony physically hurt me.

    The comments were a sea of stupid so unfathomable, it defies description.
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  • When you look at the void...
  • edited August 2016
    So I don't think Trump can win in any reasonable scenario. Unless some giant shitstorm including actual bribery or the biggest scandal in U.S. history happens, Clinton will win. That is if people actually go to the polls.

    The thing I fear most, and the only way Trump can win without a sudden reversal of fortunes, is if people just grow apathetic and think "Hillary's going to win anyway" and actually don't vote. I think that is also some of what helped the Brexit succeed and it is why low voter turnouts are sought out by candidates and parties who by all logic should be in the minority.

    Not to mention that people should go to vote anyway and vote on the other issues and races that are happening at the same time.
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  • Also this posted by Hewlett-Packard CEO and former california Gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman:

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  • chaosof99 said:

    So I don't think Trump can win in any reasonable scenario. Unless some giant shitstorm including actual bribery or the biggest scandal in U.S. history happens, Clinton will win. That is if people actually go to the polls.

    The thing I fear most, and the only way Trump can win without a sudden reversal of fortunes, is if people just grow apathetic and think "Hillary's going to win anyway" and actually don't vote. I think that is also some of what helped the Brexit succeed and it is why low voter turnouts are sought out by candidates and parties who by all logic should be in the minority.

    Not to mention that people should go to vote anyway and vote on the other issues and races that are happening at the same time.

    Even if Hillary wins, the narrative from the Trump campaign will become "This election is rigged!". in an attempt to de-legitimize her Presidency and give people like McConnell another excuse to hold up SCOTUS nominations for another 4 years.

    Considering how fast and furious the gaffes are coming from Trump. You could probably increase voter turnout with a "VOTE... to shut Trump up" Campaign. After 3 more months of this the average voter will be sick of Trump day-in and day-out.
  • That's also one of the reasons why the next election needs a big voter turnout. It should be the most lopsided result in history to not give Trump even the possibility to insinuate rigging.
  • I'm expecting a Goldwater landslide, wherein a handful of states who vote by party rather than candidate vote for Trump, but I think that's a worst case scenario. In the short term it preserved the leftist policies that Johnson built on, but Goldwater's principals became the foundation of the GOP platform post-Nixon. It is completely possible that we get a McGovern or a Mondale, where the candidates only took one state. This has proven to silence the ideology of the loser, which greatly damaged the country in those cases but would be a huge gain for the nation this year.

    I'm praying for a 1820, where the only reason Monroe didn't get a unanimous vote at the Electoral College was that one elector wanted to maintain Washington's claim as the only President to get a unanimous vote at the College. If we are ever to see one of these again, it is this year.
  • "As much as it pains me to be critical of my esteemed opponent, I believe that the Honorable Madam Secretary may has mishandled her electronic correspondence from time to time. Probably nothing, but we ought to ask her about it."

    Bizzaro Trump 2016!

    //stolen from a comment on the Onion article.
  • Greg said:

    I'm expecting a Goldwater landslide, wherein a handful of states who vote by party rather than candidate vote for Trump, but I think that's a worst case scenario. In the short term it preserved the leftist policies that Johnson built on, but Goldwater's principals became the foundation of the GOP platform post-Nixon. It is completely possible that we get a McGovern or a Mondale, where the candidates only took one state. This has proven to silence the ideology of the loser, which greatly damaged the country in those cases but would be a huge gain for the nation this year.

    I'm praying for a 1820, where the only reason Monroe didn't get a unanimous vote at the Electoral College was that one elector wanted to maintain Washington's claim as the only President to get a unanimous vote at the College. If we are ever to see one of these again, it is this year.

    While a landslide victory would be nice, the U.S. is just too polarized right now for this to happen unless Trump completely and absolutely self-destructs. Even with Trump being a human dumpster fires, you can still expect the Montana and its neighbors, Texas and the deep south to vote Trump simply because of the 'R' next to his name. Trump will probably still get ~200 electoral college votes, but I doubt he can climb anywhere above 230. Currently I think it will break down something like this and whether Trump gets above 200 depends on how North Carolina votes.
  • That's basically what they said in 1936 and 1972. For now, I remain confident in my landslide predictions.
  • chaosof99 said:

    Greg said:

    I'm expecting a Goldwater landslide, wherein a handful of states who vote by party rather than candidate vote for Trump, but I think that's a worst case scenario. In the short term it preserved the leftist policies that Johnson built on, but Goldwater's principals became the foundation of the GOP platform post-Nixon. It is completely possible that we get a McGovern or a Mondale, where the candidates only took one state. This has proven to silence the ideology of the loser, which greatly damaged the country in those cases but would be a huge gain for the nation this year.

    I'm praying for a 1820, where the only reason Monroe didn't get a unanimous vote at the Electoral College was that one elector wanted to maintain Washington's claim as the only President to get a unanimous vote at the College. If we are ever to see one of these again, it is this year.

    While a landslide victory would be nice, the U.S. is just too polarized right now for this to happen unless Trump completely and absolutely self-destructs. Even with Trump being a human dumpster fires, you can still expect the Montana and its neighbors, Texas and the deep south to vote Trump simply because of the 'R' next to his name. Trump will probably still get ~200 electoral college votes, but I doubt he can climb anywhere above 230. Currently I think it will break down something like this and whether Trump gets above 200 depends on how North Carolina votes.
    What you describe, while not Goldwater level, is still a landslide.
  • edited August 2016

    What you describe, while not Goldwater level, is still a landslide.

    To a degree, yes, but not in comparison to the scenarios Greg was describing. As it stands right now, Trump is still expected to get more than 43% of the popular vote (which is kind of scary).
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  • I've seen the summary of the Republican Platform. Does anyone have a good link to a summary of the Democrat Platform?
  • "Not Trump"?
  • Wyatt said:

    I've seen the summary of the Republican Platform. Does anyone have a good link to a summary of the Democrat Platform?

    Pray unto Google, for She will provide.

  • The DNC platform is pretty well itemized and fairly specific: https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Democratic-Party-Platform-7.21.16-no-lines.pdf

    The RNC platform has a lot of shit hidden in some super vague topics and doesn't have too many details: https://prod-static-ngop-pbl.s3.amazonaws.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf

    I also want to do more research into who wrote this and what agendas they have.

    Google gave me a summary of how far the Right RNC is going but hasn't giving me a breakdown of what the DNC is doing to stay to the Left. While I want to read both entirely, I'd like a top ten list from both.
  • DNC: Status quo with some social and economic progressive ideas.

    RNC: Nazi Germany in a dumpster fire.
  • Some newer DNC positions are pretty grease, like Postal Banking.

    The platform is a lot of specific progressive reform. It actually has been for a long time. The problem is that the GOP has ensured that nothing can pass under any circumstances ever, so the surprising liberalism and socialism of the DNC platform is lost in the fact that it literally hasn't mattered.
  • I never pay attention to the platform. It's strictly a formality. Individual politicians deviate as they want and it doesn't hurt them. Just look at Harry Reid.
  • The election is like "Do you want to keep this rash you've got or do you want your arm cut off?" "Well I'll take the rash I guess..."
  • This is genius!

  • Trump said that he will put new states into play. Clinton now has chances to win South Carolina, Georgia and Arizona. I think Trump was right.
  • Well, Trump just said this... I have no further commentary.



  • That HAS to be a crime.
  • The rest of that speech is literally the rantings of a mad man.
  • That HAS to be a crime.

    Not even remotely.
  • Doesn't really fit, if only because it's directed very non-specifically -- towards hypothetical people being nominated six months from now. If Hillary had already started nominating people, a lawyer could argue that it falls in the category of inciting "imminent lawless action", though.
  • edited August 2016
    chaosof99 said:

    While a landslide victory would be nice, the U.S. is just too polarized right now for this to happen unless Trump completely and absolutely self-destructs.

    Well, Trump just said this... I have no further commentary.

    Depending on the coverage of it, it might just have come true.
    Post edited by chaosof99 on
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