Until Big Mac opened his mouth to say anything other than "Eee-yup" or "Nope."
I don't understand why people are up in arms about this; it happened in Applebuck Season, and I want to see Big Mac getting some character development.
well for me mostly its just his voice acting combined with the mushy gushy things he said in the episode. In Applebuck Season it worked because he had just those few lines.
Because you should always give up if there's any chance you'll fail, even if failure doesn't hurt anyone and the experience itself would be enjoyable for you.
To be honest, the whole idea of Daring Do as a series of books in the universe allows for quite a bit of creativity to be expressed, withought the need for catering to the so called "fans" of characters already expressed in the show. I do believe its a good way to work some creative juice.
Although scott, do you see fanfiction and fanart to be any different, ive seen you denounce fanfiction before, but its simply another way of creative expression, and ive never seen you denounce fanart.
To be honest, the whole idea of Daring Do as a series of books in the universe allows for quite a bit of creativity to be expressed, withought the need for catering to the so called "fans" of characters already expressed in the show. I do believe its a good way to work some creative juice.
Although scott, do you see fanfiction and fanart to be any different, ive seen you denounce fanfiction before, but its simply another way of creative expression, and ive never seen you denounce fanart.
There's a key difference between fanart and fanfiction. To look at a fanart takes a fraction of a second. If it's bad, nobody is harmed. Even if you draw a bad one, somebody will look at it. If you write a bad fanfiction, either nobody will read it, and you wasted your time, or someone will waste a large portion of their time reading it and suffer.
Also, writing fanfiction might build your writing skills, but there is one very important writing skill it will not teach you. That is the skill of creating characters. If you are going to write a fiction, just write an original fiction. That way you are actually getting real writing skills and maybe can become a great writer.
I'd send you Fallout Equestria, but it's longer than the Lord of the Rings. Let me track something down for you that would be a little more your speed.
Fanfiction gets it's reputation entirely through legions of teenagers who crank out terrible fics, often pornographic in nature, who refuse to hear criticism and are in it entirely for their own egos. Most people believe that is the extent of fanfiction.
There is nothing inherently wrong with derivative works in and of themselves. I used to scoff at fanfiction the same way as you, but I realized I was looking at it wrong. In essence, there is no difference between "fanfiction" and "fiction" except copyright law. There is skill in creating your own characters, but there is also skill in taking somebody elses and writing them well enough that it could be lines from the original. Not to mention that fanfiction doesn't have to lack for worldbuilding; most of the best fics use the canon as a jumping-off point to examine something completely different under the lens of familiar characters.
Next time anyone disses fanfiction, I'd like somebody to remind them that Watchman is essentially fanfic for Charlton Comics.
I'd send you Fallout Equestria, but it's longer than the Lord of the Rings. Let me track something down for you that would be a little more your speed.
Fallout... Equestria... So it's fanfiction of two stylistically distinct bodies of independent work.
This is a reimagining of Twilight that is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. The person who wrote it liked Twilight's worldbuilding but hated it's plot and writing, so rewrote the story with a main character who isn't a blank slate with no intellect or personality. The results are fascinating.
Rym, I WILL find you a fanfic. My tastes tend towards longer works, but I'm sure I can find a one-shot that will tickle your fancy.
This is a reimagining of Twilight that is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. The person who wrote it liked Twilight's worldbuilding but hated it's plot and writing, so rewrote the story with a main character who isn't a blank slate with no intellect or personality. The results are fascinating.
Rym, I WILL find you a fanfic. My tastes tend towards longer works, but I'm sure I can find a one-shot that will tickle your fancy.
I'll second Methods of Rationality as worth some time, if you've got it. I'll third it. Harry is a badass, science oriented kid who pretty much always acts optimally.
EDIT: Info of the March 10th episode is out, AND I CAN'T WAIT.
Title: It's About Time Air Date: March 10, 2012 Summary: Twilight receives a warning from her future self and drives herself crazy with worry.
According to the scott-metric, 1 page or less is A-OK. Beyond that the okay-ness decreases per page.
It depends. I mean, what counts as a fan comic? Is 8-bit theatre a fan comic? It uses sprites from Final Fantasy, but those are original characters.
Consider the official Simpson's comics from Bongo. If those were made by fans for free on the Internets, they would be fan comics. Thing is, those are actually kinda good, and the people making them get money. And have you ever seen a fan comic of that calibre? Something that is very much quite like the original thing, only more of it? I haven't.
Consider doujinshi. An entire volume of comic with someone else's characters and universe. I'm sure there's a good one out there somewhere, but 99.99999% are crap. Some of them are pretty crazy like Batman x Kiki's Delivery Service, but even those aren't actually good. The idea of them is good.
I'm all for people making fan-works. Creating and remixing stuff is always the awesome. But all the fan stuff that's actually any good is made by people who already have skills. Like when a famous comic artist draws a Pokemon in an awesome way, aw shit!
Show me the person who is already a great author of fiction writing a fan-fiction. Even when people write fan-fiction in an official capacity, they still suck. I read the famous Timothy Zahn thrawn trilogy. They are without a doubt the most popular Star Wars books ever. All the nerds love them. I read them to see what the deal was. They were middling to mediocre. If those are the best, I shudder when I imagine the rest. Shudder double for something some kid wrote in his spare time.
Nothing wrong with fanfiction. The ONLY problem with is really is that too many people have too high expectations going in when writing it.
QFT. And I actually posted one fanfic in this thread called "Sweet Apple Capers" which is just like the show post-Swarm of the Century, with a real Looney Tunes vibe and Pinkie Pie wanting to make strudel. It's side-slapping funny.
Until Big Mac opened his mouth to say anything other than "Eee-yup" or "Nope."
I don't understand why people are up in arms about this; it happened in Applebuck Season, and I want to see Big Mac getting some character development.
well for me mostly its just his voice acting combined with the mushy gushy things he said in the episode. In Applebuck Season it worked because he had just those few lines.
I thought the mushy-gushy things he said we're hysterical. Just, his Southern Accent playing on with the intense levels of silliness of those words.
Show me the person who is already a great author of fiction writing a fan-fiction. Even when people write fan-fiction in an official capacity, they still suck. I read the famous Timothy Zahn thrawn trilogy. They are without a doubt the most popular Star Wars books ever. All the nerds love them. I read them to see what the deal was. They were middling to mediocre. If those are the best, I shudder when I imagine the rest. Shudder double for something some kid wrote in his spare time.
I would debate that any writer who grew up loving an existing property and then actually working for pay doing that work is a professional fanfiction writer. That's how several people who write for Marvel/DC/Doctor Who got their starts. And this includes loved icons like Stephen Moffat and Judd Winick.
I would debate that any writer who grew up loving an existing property and then actually working for pay doing that work is a professional fanfiction writer. That's how several people who write for Marvel/DC/Doctor Who got their starts. And this includes loved icons like Stephen Moffat and Judd Winick.
My point exactly. All the best superhero comics are created by people who are not fans. When fans write the comics you get the Geoff Johns fanservice garbage.
I would debate that any writer who grew up loving an existing property and then actually working for pay doing that work is a professional fanfiction writer. That's how several people who write for Marvel/DC/Doctor Who got their starts. And this includes loved icons like Stephen Moffat and Judd Winick.
My point exactly. All the best superhero comics are created by people who are not fans. When fans write the comics you get the Geoff Johns fanservice garbage.
Counterpoint. Don Rosa, the way he took random Scrooge stories from Carl Barks and made a world and canon out of them was pretty much his fanboyism towards Barks, at work.
I would debate that any writer who grew up loving an existing property and then actually working for pay doing that work is a professional fanfiction writer. That's how several people who write for Marvel/DC/Doctor Who got their starts. And this includes loved icons like Stephen Moffat and Judd Winick.
My point exactly. All the best superhero comics are created by people who are not fans. When fans write the comics you get the Geoff Johns fanservice garbage.
People have wavered on Geoff Johns now, but people love the hell out of lots of his Green Lantern work, even if you aren't a fan of Rebirth. And many people think Moffat is the best writer currently working with Doctor Who. Let's not forget David Tennant was a fan of the show which inspired him to try and join it. Doesn't the same rule of fanfiction apply if one is that dedicated to be in the series?
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Although scott, do you see fanfiction and fanart to be any different, ive seen you denounce fanfiction before, but its simply another way of creative expression, and ive never seen you denounce fanart.
Also, writing fanfiction might build your writing skills, but there is one very important writing skill it will not teach you. That is the skill of creating characters. If you are going to write a fiction, just write an original fiction. That way you are actually getting real writing skills and maybe can become a great writer.
I'm sure that this fic could work. If I've learned anything about this fandom, it's that it's got some good friggin' writers in it.
I'll read ONE fanfiction. Send me the best one there is, and I'll read it.
Fanfiction gets it's reputation entirely through legions of teenagers who crank out terrible fics, often pornographic in nature, who refuse to hear criticism and are in it entirely for their own egos. Most people believe that is the extent of fanfiction.
There is nothing inherently wrong with derivative works in and of themselves. I used to scoff at fanfiction the same way as you, but I realized I was looking at it wrong. In essence, there is no difference between "fanfiction" and "fiction" except copyright law. There is skill in creating your own characters, but there is also skill in taking somebody elses and writing them well enough that it could be lines from the original. Not to mention that fanfiction doesn't have to lack for worldbuilding; most of the best fics use the canon as a jumping-off point to examine something completely different under the lens of familiar characters.
Next time anyone disses fanfiction, I'd like somebody to remind them that Watchman is essentially fanfic for Charlton Comics.
This is a reimagining of Twilight that is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. The person who wrote it liked Twilight's worldbuilding but hated it's plot and writing, so rewrote the story with a main character who isn't a blank slate with no intellect or personality. The results are fascinating.
Rym, I WILL find you a fanfic. My tastes tend towards longer works, but I'm sure I can find a one-shot that will tickle your fancy.
I'll third it. Harry is a badass, science oriented kid who pretty much always acts optimally.
EDIT: Info of the March 10th episode is out, AND I CAN'T WAIT.
Title: It's About Time
Air Date: March 10, 2012
Summary: Twilight receives a warning from her future self and drives herself crazy with worry.
Consider the official Simpson's comics from Bongo. If those were made by fans for free on the Internets, they would be fan comics. Thing is, those are actually kinda good, and the people making them get money. And have you ever seen a fan comic of that calibre? Something that is very much quite like the original thing, only more of it? I haven't.
Consider doujinshi. An entire volume of comic with someone else's characters and universe. I'm sure there's a good one out there somewhere, but 99.99999% are crap. Some of them are pretty crazy like Batman x Kiki's Delivery Service, but even those aren't actually good. The idea of them is good.
I'm all for people making fan-works. Creating and remixing stuff is always the awesome. But all the fan stuff that's actually any good is made by people who already have skills. Like when a famous comic artist draws a Pokemon in an awesome way, aw shit!
Show me the person who is already a great author of fiction writing a fan-fiction. Even when people write fan-fiction in an official capacity, they still suck. I read the famous Timothy Zahn thrawn trilogy. They are without a doubt the most popular Star Wars books ever. All the nerds love them. I read them to see what the deal was. They were middling to mediocre. If those are the best, I shudder when I imagine the rest. Shudder double for something some kid wrote in his spare time.
I think fan anything all boils down too weather is it good or not. *shrug*