Also, had to laugh at the co-worker that told me after all the "shit" from last night, that he should move to England. Oh yea, England, that bastion of conservatism.
To be fair, they do have a strong party in England that is all but openly racist, homophobic, and isolationist.
The Jeremy Clarkson party. England definitely has a terrifying party, but thankfully most of the stuff they're trying to dismantle is pretty deeply ingrained. Like the NHS.
The drone program which includes unilateral secret assassination runs on political targets absent a declaration of war or any judicial oversight is the problem.
Criticizing Obama is not detracting from his good works. But frankly, when his good works are couched in and surrounded by some pretty terrible evils like the NDAA, Gitmo, and other police state shit, it's pretty hard to sit still during a big praise-fest and not bring them up.
Obama agrees with Bush, at least tacitly, on things like the HORRENDOUS changes to bankruptcy law in 2005. He chose to continue to bail out the banks rather than underwater homeowners (which indirectly would still have bailed out the banks), etc etc etc. He's as much a corporate whore as any Republican.
What Obama (not pre-Obama) policies has he complained about?
Nice goalpost-shifting.
Suggesting that someone has to to criticize "new policy" for their criticisms to be valid evidence of non-partisanship is ludicrous. It doesn't matter whose policy it is - if the current administration continues it, it's just as much to blame for it.
Moreover, new policy simply isn't a common thing. Obamacare is hardly "new policy", given that the basic structure has been around for a long time. Deregulation of the financial sector, as well as other associated woes like "Too Big to Fail", is policy that stretches back for decades.
On the whole, it's not particularly surprising that the main area of criticism for liberals is Obama's continuation of Bush's war on terror and the associated violations of civil liberties. It's not new policy, and a lot of the mistakes originated with Bush, but Obama is still responsible for much of it.
What more do you want, Steve? Or is siding with Republicans the only acceptable evidence of "nonpartisanship"?
Accusing muppet of being "too partisan to care" is, based on the evidence, so ridiculous that all I can draw from it is that you have developed an inbuilt defense mechanism wherein anyone who disagrees with you must be an incorrigible partisan. I feel sorry for you.
This is nothing new. You should see the thread where Churba posts all of Scott's previous praises to Minecraft many months after he starts to hate on it. It's in here somewhere. It was fucking hilarious.
I'll post what I said in Random Comments:
People of this forum forget that many of us have good memories of what others have said in the past, even now that the search function and saved searches are no longer available.
Schadenfreude. Sometimes, it does feel good. I'm giving my FB conservative friends the day to gloom and they haven't been posting anything anyways, so I'll wait until they post some BS stuff like my friend did last night.
It's not about goal post shifting. Where has Muppet gone against Obama policy where it is unpopular to do so? Where has he bucked the party while not also grumbled that Republicans are no better on the issue.
The only times I see Muppet go against Obama and Democrats is when it is safe and popular to oppse them or if he is out on some weird conspiracy tangent.
Excuse me for editing posts. Posting from a low res smartphone has its limits.
Really, the strangest thing about the idiot island that is america (and sorry to be rude, but it truly is an idiot island which does a ton of things in the worst possible way) is that the people that like the way things run on idiot island do not realize that it is idiot island.
So when they are presented with an impending change that would make said island less idiotic they are faced with more or less two options: moving to a "civilized" country which has at least the same standards as the U.S. in terms of living conditions or better, but in which things already run the way the U.S. is about to change into; or move to a backwater state with political, social and economic chaos in it that has come about because they do things as badly or worse than the way it does on idiot island.
Steve, you have major confirmation bias going on here, dude. That's all, really.
I don't agree with compromising out the public option. I don't agree with gitmo, drones, or not fixing bankruptcy laws that Bush butchered (I'm pretty sure Obama said he'd do this.) I don't agree with "fixing" the student loan system while ignoring the credit card industry. I don't agree with gun control. I didn't agree with the surge in Afghanistan and I think Iraq should have been deserted by our forces in Obama's first year. I don't think we should be in Libya and I don't think we should have assassinated bin Laden and conveniently disposed of his body.
I'm not sure how long a list you need of things I disagree with Obama about. It may take me a few days to compile a comprehensive one from memory, dude.
I have never, ever, EVER watched even one Obama speech. Not one.
Really, the strangest thing about the idiot island that is america (and sorry to be rude, but it truly is an idiot island which does a ton of things in the worst possible way) is that the people that like the way things run on idiot island do not realize that it is idiot island.
So when they are presented with an impending change that would make said island less idiotic they are faced with more or less two options: moving to a "civilized" country which has at least the same standards as the U.S. in terms of living conditions or better, but in which things already run the way the U.S. is about to change into; or move to a backwater state with political, social and economic chaos in it that has come about because they do things as badly or worse than the it goes on idiot island.
I frequently suggest to Libertarians and Anarchists that they should move to Somalia. They don't get it, because in their minds their ideologies lead to capitalist paradises with green rolling meadows and Aryan children flying kites in clean white shirts.
It's not about goal post shifting. Where has Muppet gone against Obama policy where it is unpopular to do so? Where has he bucked the party while not also grumbled that Republicans are no better on the issue.
Yes, you have shifted the goalposts, because you've switched things from "nonpartisan" to "unpopular", where by "unpopular" I assume you in fact mean "unpopular among Democrats". Yet even then, muppet clearly disagrees with several popular liberal positions.
Also, had to laugh at the co-worker that told me after all the "shit" from last night, that he should move to England. Oh yea, England, that bastion of conservatism.
To be fair, they do have a strong party in England that is all but openly racist, homophobic, and isolationist.
The Jeremy Clarkson party. England definitely has a terrifying party, but thankfully most of the stuff they're trying to dismantle is pretty deeply ingrained. Like the NHS.
HA. You wish. Clarkson is hard-line Tory, which is harmless by comparison.
I'm talking about the British National Party, who formed as a splinter group from the National Front party, who are an openly facist/neo-facist white-supremacy christian party, and whom is headed by Nick Griffin, who was not only convicted of inciting racial hatred - and I say this without a trace of hyperbole - who is a devotee of Benito Mussolini's "Third Position" Fascism/Nazism. In addition to being a racist, also an anti-semite, and openly denies the holocaust happened. Seriously, the only reason he's not wearing a Swastika on a red armband and goose-stepping in public is because the party PR company told him not to do that any more.
It's not about goal post shifting. Where has Muppet gone against Obama policy where it is unpopular to do so? Where has he bucked the party while not also grumbled that Republicans are no better on the issue.
Yes, you have shifted the goalposts, because you've switched things from "nonpartisan" to "unpopular", where by "unpopular" I assume you in fact mean "unpopular among Democrats".
He's never going to admit it. Give up. This is what "they" do.
I guess the underlying cause for the "idiot island syndrome" I described earlier is that part of the idiot island doctrine is rampant xenophobia, thus also fueling a distrust and a general disinterest in even understanding anything about the outside world except the rudiments. "Why do I need to know anything about those other countries? 'merica's #1 anyway"
I guess the underlying cause for the "idiot island syndrome" I described earlier is that part of the idiot island doctrine is rampant xenophobia, thus also fueling a distrust and a general disinterest in even understanding anything about the outside world except the rudiments. "Why do I need to know anything about those other countries? 'merica's #1 anyway"
If you need an example of this, look at how people reacted to the idea that the UN would monitor the US' elections.
The national plans will compete directly with other private insurers and may have some significant advantages, including a federal seal of approval. Premiums and benefits for the multistate insurance plans will be negotiated by the United States Office of Personnel Management, the agency that arranges health benefits for federal employees.
Walton J. Francis, the author of a consumer guide to health plans for federal employees, said the personnel agency had been “extraordinarily successful” in managing that program, which has more than 200 health plans, including about 20 offered nationwide. The personnel agency has earned high marks for its ability to secure good terms for federal workers through negotiation rather than heavy-handed regulation of insurers.
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Under the Affordable Care Act, at least one of the nationwide plans must be offered by a nonprofit entity. Insurance experts see an obvious candidate for that role: the Government Employees Health Association, a nonprofit group that covers more than 900,000 federal employees, retirees and dependents, making it the second-largest plan for federal workers, after the Blue Cross and Blue Shield program.
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Robert E. Moffit, a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said he worried that “the nationwide health plans, operating under terms and conditions set by the federal government, will become the robust public option that liberals always wanted.”
I guess the underlying cause for the "idiot island syndrome" I described earlier is that part of the idiot island doctrine is rampant xenophobia, thus also fueling a distrust and a general disinterest in even understanding anything about the outside world except the rudiments. "Why do I need to know anything about those other countries? 'merica's #1 anyway"
'merica can't be an idiot island 'cos it's not an island ya commie bastard.
He's never going to admit it. Give up. This is what "they" do.
I don't actually argue with "them" very much, so the experience remains an interesting one.
In my experience with my conservative and only moderately informed family, they truly believe that shifting goalposts is just how you attack an argument from a new angle. They consider it rephrasing and perfectly valid discussion.
I guess the underlying cause for the "idiot island syndrome" I described earlier is that part of the idiot island doctrine is rampant xenophobia, thus also fueling a distrust and a general disinterest in even understanding anything about the outside world except the rudiments. "Why do I need to know anything about those other countries? 'merica's #1 anyway"
If you need an example of this, look at how people reacted to the idea that the UN would monitor the US' elections.
Yeah. I had a great flaming row with some right leaning family about that. Even seemingly reasonable well informed Americans can get pretty damned touchy about UN involvement with the USA.
Steve, you have major confirmation bias going on here, dude. That's all, really.
I don't agree with compromising out the public option. I don't agree with gitmo, drones, or not fixing bankruptcy laws that Bush butchered (I'm pretty sure Obama said he'd do this.) I don't agree with "fixing" the student loan system while ignoring the credit card industry. I don't agree with gun control. I didn't agree with the surge in Afghanistan and I think Iraq should have been deserted by our forces in Obama's first year. I don't think we should be in Libya and I don't think we should have assassinated bin Laden and conveniently disposed of his body.
I'm not sure how long a list you need of things I disagree with Obama about. It may take me a few days to compile a comprehensive one from memory, dude.
I have never, ever, EVER watched even one Obama speech. Not one.
I don't recall you addressing these issues on the forum without going conspiracy nut or using the "best he can do" defense to soften your criticism.
I'll take back the partisan label if you can show me where you have addressed these issues in a way that solely critisizes Obama .
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Suggesting that someone has to to criticize "new policy" for their criticisms to be valid evidence of non-partisanship is ludicrous. It doesn't matter whose policy it is - if the current administration continues it, it's just as much to blame for it.
Moreover, new policy simply isn't a common thing. Obamacare is hardly "new policy", given that the basic structure has been around for a long time. Deregulation of the financial sector, as well as other associated woes like "Too Big to Fail", is policy that stretches back for decades.
On the whole, it's not particularly surprising that the main area of criticism for liberals is Obama's continuation of Bush's war on terror and the associated violations of civil liberties. It's not new policy, and a lot of the mistakes originated with Bush, but Obama is still responsible for much of it.
What more do you want, Steve? Or is siding with Republicans the only acceptable evidence of "nonpartisanship"?
Accusing muppet of being "too partisan to care" is, based on the evidence, so ridiculous that all I can draw from it is that you have developed an inbuilt defense mechanism wherein anyone who disagrees with you must be an incorrigible partisan. I feel sorry for you.
I'll post what I said in Random Comments:
The only times I see Muppet go against Obama and Democrats is when it is safe and popular to oppse them or if he is out on some weird conspiracy tangent.
Excuse me for editing posts. Posting from a low res smartphone has its limits.
So when they are presented with an impending change that would make said island less idiotic they are faced with more or less two options: moving to a "civilized" country which has at least the same standards as the U.S. in terms of living conditions or better, but in which things already run the way the U.S. is about to change into; or move to a backwater state with political, social and economic chaos in it that has come about because they do things as badly or worse than the way it does on idiot island.
I don't agree with compromising out the public option. I don't agree with gitmo, drones, or not fixing bankruptcy laws that Bush butchered (I'm pretty sure Obama said he'd do this.) I don't agree with "fixing" the student loan system while ignoring the credit card industry. I don't agree with gun control. I didn't agree with the surge in Afghanistan and I think Iraq should have been deserted by our forces in Obama's first year. I don't think we should be in Libya and I don't think we should have assassinated bin Laden and conveniently disposed of his body.
I'm not sure how long a list you need of things I disagree with Obama about. It may take me a few days to compile a comprehensive one from memory, dude.
I have never, ever, EVER watched even one Obama speech. Not one.
In short, take your blinders off.
I'm talking about the British National Party, who formed as a splinter group from the National Front party, who are an openly facist/neo-facist white-supremacy christian party, and whom is headed by Nick Griffin, who was not only convicted of inciting racial hatred - and I say this without a trace of hyperbole - who is a devotee of Benito Mussolini's "Third Position" Fascism/Nazism. In addition to being a racist, also an anti-semite, and openly denies the holocaust happened. Seriously, the only reason he's not wearing a Swastika on a red armband and goose-stepping in public is because the party PR company told him not to do that any more.
I'll take back the partisan label if you can show me where you have addressed these issues in a way that solely critisizes Obama .