If you have anxiety and connection issues that deep, you may want to get some additional help. You transformed every critique they made towards your assessment of Gamergate into an attack against yourself. You'd rather not defend your point and just assume the worse as many people do when put up against the conflict. Put up the wall and silence them out giving no credence to what they said.
And if you have those issues, holy fucking shit is Gamergate not the community you want to ask for help. They will insult you, possibly dox your shit, call you weak or beta or cuck, and bully you until you 100% think like them that all media is shit and SJWs ruin the world. A swirling morass of hate is not a place where the vulnerable should try and heal and find solace. They still aren't happy and will never be happy even if things swung in their favor.
If your personality involves desperately caring about whether or not people (who don't know you) think you in particular are a good person, then yes, you need to start working on having a different personality.
It's not the job of other people on the internet to assuage your fears of whether or not you're a decent individual. They will simply inform you of problems they find in the world if it seems like you're contributing to it. Your only job is to listen, learn, and try a bit better next time.
If you believe you're a good person, and someone tells you that something you participate in is harmful, simply listen and realize that they're not saying you're a bad person for your participation. They just need you to understand why what you did was harmful.
Scott calls you a misogynist because after hearing everybody explain to you why your participation is harmful, you still claim that we're treating you unfairly and that it's unfair of us to cast your actions so negatively. At that point, you are bending over backwards to justify supporting a provably misogynist movement. Not acknowledging the realities of the world we live in is a passive sexism that is just as harmful as any active misogyny you could commit.
The point I'm making is they only mock me because it's much easier to break down weak people than leveraging your own position and power to get real work down.
No, they mock you because you decided to post on their forum repeatedly saying things that they disagree with, and not presenting any argument that stands up to any analysis.
Additionally, actually listening to women when they talk about how Gamergate hurt them, and spreading that information wherever they can? That's activism. When someone brings up the conversation topic, you steer it in the direction of "No, these women were actually under fire by this movement. It is actually really dangerous and caused tangible harm to people." Doing that in and of itself is a (small) form of activism.
Also, what activism have you participated in to end the harassment and mistreatment of women in games spaces? If the answer is none, then don't call out anyone else for not doing it.
They're famous panelists, and con-organizers. They had a responsibility to drive their fans in the right direction. But the only thing they did was post a mocking Utena video, and exclaim all Gators are banned from the podcast.
I'm not a games personality member, I've no power there. The power I do have at a community college, I do use to encourage women to meet their education potential, even if it means they'll make more money than me.
Honestly, while I didn't mind the guy, I was half hoping he'd do something dumb enough to get a ban, so I could whip out my favorite "Enjoy the ban" video.
I was googling how to make gifs so I could do a popcorn one. God we should bring that one back.
Even the GamerGaters didn't wave flags for sexism. Why would you accuse me of that?
Yeah, most Gators are at least socially aware enough to realize that people generally don't like it when people openly go "Yeah, sexism is fucking great innit?". But when they run a bit of sexism up the flagpole, you also struggle to find someone who doesn't salute.
The point I'm making is they only mock me because it's much easier to break down weak people than leveraging your own position and power to get real work down.
We don't even know you, or anything about you, let alone your relative strength or weakness. You are just an anonymous Internet name to us, no different than any other. You are treated no differently than anyone else here. You are judged only by what you post, and nothing more. It is the same for all on the Internet, and that is as it should be.
And what you have posted is pro-GG garbage. In these parts we judge it... poorly. That will not stand uncontested in this community (but Black Dynamite). If Rym posted that shit you think he would be let off the hook? He'd be lucky to have friends the next day.
Except Scojo. He'll stay friends with any kinda crazy person.
You don't know me though. Having a problem with the gaming press in 2014 and feminist media company that's moved on from gaming in 2015 doesn't mean I partake in harassment. F- If I could Vulcan Mind Meld to prove it to you I would.
Aren't I really an anomaly? I feel so hated and disliked in every circle. If I had a kickstarter backer for ever person I believe hates me and was donated based on how I perceive how much they hate me, I'd be quite well off.
You don't know me though. Having a problem with the gaming press in 2014 and feminist media company that's moved on from gaming in 2015 doesn't mean I partake in harassment. F- If I could Vulcan Mind Meld to prove it to you I would.
THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH 'FEMINIST MEDIA'. THE PROBLEM WAS A BUNCH OF MAN-BABIES GETTING PISSED THAT WOMEN HAD OPINIONS AND VALID CRITIQUES ABOUT VIDEO GAMES. THE PROBLEM WAS ONE ASSHOLE TRYING TO SLUT-SHAME HIS EX. THE ENTIRE GG MOVEMENT WAS BASED AROUND HARASSING AND THREATENING PEOPLE THEY DIDN'T LIKE.
There is nothing else to discuss. It's like saying the rebel flag has nothing to do with racism because one guy isn't bright enough to get the connection.
You are getting mocked because you're like the one guy saying you like the rebel flag because it has pretty colors and that's all it represents.
GG was never, EVER, about journalism. It was about tearing down women. Full stop. If you think otherwise, you got duped.
This is also an ENTIRELY SEPARATE ISSUE from whoever you are and whatever insecurities you have.
I used to really like "Manliest Brony in the World" from the MLP, but he accused me of line jumping a panel. I was just lost and on a new anti-anxeity medication that made me pretty loopy.
It makes me realize why they say never meet your Stars.
I've met DustyKatt. Interviewed him for my YouTube channel when we were both at Equestria LA some years back. He's a downright chill bro. If he thinks you jumped a line, he probably had cause. And if you were loopy on new meds, then it was just an accident. But he couldn't know that, so pulling that "they say never meet your Stars" attitude is bullshit. You're trying to play the victim for something that was just a misunderstanding. Don't be like that.
I fall apart when I like an internet celebrity and upon meeting them they don't like me. It's not a rational way to live, but it's really hard to get past. My self worth totally comes from outside myself and I tend to sabotage friendships when I'm feeling particularly self destructive. So podcasts are like always there for me even when I feel like everyone else hates me.
Dude: celebrities are just people. Hell, I'd say there's a good dozen or so people on this forum that are minor internet celebrities in their own right. But they're just people. And you cant get hung up on what people think of you because there will be people who won't like you for no reason. Literally no reason. For example: one of my coworkers at the paper I worked at didn't like me and I didn't like him. Nothing happened between us, we weren't competing for anything, we both recognized each other's skills and value, but we hated each other and neither of us could articulate why. You can't let what other people think of you affect you like that. You can't be that skittish and still expect to make friends.
And podcasts... podcasts are not friends.
But I get the appeal: one of the biggest things about radio was that it was the first medium to provide an illusion of personal familiarity with the people on the sending side of the medium. But it's not the same. It's not that they're "always there for you". They're just shows. Listening to Rym and Scott talk is nothing like actually talking with them. On the podcast, they're just two dudes talking. In person, Rym's a sprightly elf of a man with maxed out charisma stats and Scott is (somehow) a loveable grumblebucket. But talking to them on the forum or in person isn't as "safe" as just listening to them because, surprise surprise, they talk back. And if you disagree with them, they'll take you on about it. Not just them, anyone.
If you wanna form relationships with people, especially on this forum, you've gotta be able to take it on the chin without getting all defensive or flighty. If you can't do that, then maybe this forum isn't right for you just yet. But, from my personal experience, you should try to stick around and learn how things are done here. I've been around these folks for almost ten years now and I am definitively a better person for it.
I'm not sure "take it on the chin" is the right analogy. We're not punching anyone's chin. We are punching the chins of other people (GamerGaters) and someone is jumping in the way of our fists and then taking it personally.
You don't know me though. Having a problem with the gaming press in 2014 and feminist media company that's moved on from gaming in 2015 doesn't mean I partake in harassment. F- If I could Vulcan Mind Meld to prove it to you I would.
You don't have to partake In harassment directly to be guilty. You may have not tweeted a threat to anybody, but you sympathize more than 0% with those who do. You are not entirely opposed to them. You believe at least some of the lies started by them, and try to spread them.
Same thing with bad cops. Sure, you are the supposed good cop. You didn't kill any innocent people. You didn't do anything corrupt. But did you denounce and rat out the cops who did? If not, then you're part of the problem.
You don't know me though. Having a problem with the gaming press in 2014 and feminist media company that's moved on from gaming in 2015 doesn't mean I partake in harassment. F- If I could Vulcan Mind Meld to prove it to you I would.
You don't have to partake In harassment directly to be guilty. You may have not tweeted a threat to anybody, but you sympathize more than 0% with those who do. You are not entirely opposed to them. You believe at least some of the lies started by them, and try to spread them.
Same thing with bad cops. Sure, you are the supposed good cop. You didn't kill any innocent people. You didn't do anything corrupt. But did you denounce and rat out the cops who did? If not, then you're part of the problem.
Another analogy: GOP members turning a blind eye to the rampant racism and misogyny brought about in the past decade. You could be neither racist or a misogynist, but if you support people who are, you're just as bad.
You don't know me though. Having a problem with the gaming press in 2014 and feminist media company that's moved on from gaming in 2015 doesn't mean I partake in harassment...
Yeah, gonna stop you right there.
First, "having a problem with the gaming press in 2014" has literally nothing to do with gamergate, which was just a movement started by one guy to harass an ex-girlfriend.
Second, what do you mean by "feminist media company?"
If by "feminist media company" you specifically mean "Feminist Frequency," then you are basically participating in misogyny. There's no "problem" to be had with FF. Even if you disagree with everything they say, you can always just ignore their videos and move on with your day. There's no reason to actively work against them unless you want to participate in the sexist harassment campaign against them.
Halfmoon, if you are still lurking, please make your point or kindly shut up.
That Feeling When you're told to shut up, then mocked for shutting up.
I didn't know if you planned to say more or not. My prompt was to actually discuss the topic or not say anything at all. That's it. I didn't mock you at any point. Thus far, you still have failed to address the topic directly. You've hinted at a few generic concepts, but that is about it. What, specifically, do you support in the GG movement and why? If you can't state that, then we can't have a meaningful discourse.
Stop talking about you and start talking about the topic.
No one hates you. No one knows you. We come to this forum to discuss ideas. If you are having social and emotional problems, there are other threads within this forum regarding such subjects.
How about don't idolize people and don't take (non personal) things personally?
ZOMG, this.
Just stick to the topic and avoid the personal element. I was one of the first gun control advocates on the forum. On that topic, I was in the minority and there was fierce debate. At no point did I take it personally.
As to idolizing anyone, just don't do it. Peoples be peoples. Appreciate them for what they have to offer, but recognize that fallibility is part of whole being human thing. While admiration and respect are lovely, healthy things, idolization turns unhealthy right quick. Don't tie your worth to being liked or disliked by others.
Further, don't confuse disagreement with dislike or disrespect. There are many people whom I admire who do not share my ideologies. Heck, one of my best friends in the world is an objectavist, which is almost the opposite of my ethical construct. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they dislike or disrespect you.
Ohh wow that's so simple. I'll just completely have a different personality.
This isn't changing your personality, it is changing your outlook, your behavior, and the decision making process behind them. It may be difficult at first, but like everything, it gets easier with practice. You've got to start somewhere, so why not right here and right now?
Anyway, back to the subject: What, specifically, do you support in the GG movement and why?
First, "having a problem with the gaming press in 2014" has literally nothing to do with gamergate, which was just a movement started by one guy to harass an ex-girlfriend.
Zoe Quin's ex-boyfriend renounced the movement. He never wanted people to destroy her.
Why are you so desperate to get me back arguing? I'm convinced it's because it's much easier to trash me than to partake in actual activism. By knocking me down you can feel like you're heroically defending women without actually risking anything. I'm providing you with a a free stress relief ball that also makes you feel morally superior.
Would you ever leverage your own power to make a difference in gaming communities or against evil cops?
Pretty sure I see a bunch of things you've posted elsewhere (twitter, reddit) that imply you're an active and motivated troll trying to muddy the waters here. Your posts have not disabused me of the idea.
That's bull. I never posted on 8chan till after I posted here first. I can prove I was a fan of the show for almost two years if you like. I was motivated by your Utena video. I asked your mod if I could post pro gamergate stuff, and he allowed it. You alienated your fans with that video. I thought you could do better. You could have led them back to righteousness if you wanted to.
That's bull. I never posted on 8chan till after I posted here first. I can prove I was a fan of the show for almost two years if you like. I was motivated by your Utena video. I asked your mod if I could post pro gamergate stuff, and he allowed it. You alienated your fans with that video. I thought you could do better. You could have led them back to righteousness if you wanted to.
Oh, so now you agree that being anti-gg is righteous. Ok, problem solved.
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And if you have those issues, holy fucking shit is Gamergate not the community you want to ask for help. They will insult you, possibly dox your shit, call you weak or beta or cuck, and bully you until you 100% think like them that all media is shit and SJWs ruin the world. A swirling morass of hate is not a place where the vulnerable should try and heal and find solace. They still aren't happy and will never be happy even if things swung in their favor.
It's not the job of other people on the internet to assuage your fears of whether or not you're a decent individual. They will simply inform you of problems they find in the world if it seems like you're contributing to it. Your only job is to listen, learn, and try a bit better next time.
If you believe you're a good person, and someone tells you that something you participate in is harmful, simply listen and realize that they're not saying you're a bad person for your participation. They just need you to understand why what you did was harmful.
Scott calls you a misogynist because after hearing everybody explain to you why your participation is harmful, you still claim that we're treating you unfairly and that it's unfair of us to cast your actions so negatively. At that point, you are bending over backwards to justify supporting a provably misogynist movement. Not acknowledging the realities of the world we live in is a passive sexism that is just as harmful as any active misogyny you could commit.
Additionally, actually listening to women when they talk about how Gamergate hurt them, and spreading that information wherever they can? That's activism. When someone brings up the conversation topic, you steer it in the direction of "No, these women were actually under fire by this movement. It is actually really dangerous and caused tangible harm to people." Doing that in and of itself is a (small) form of activism.
Also, what activism have you participated in to end the harassment and mistreatment of women in games spaces? If the answer is none, then don't call out anyone else for not doing it.
I'm not a games personality member, I've no power there. The power I do have at a community college, I do use to encourage women to meet their education potential, even if it means they'll make more money than me.
And what you have posted is pro-GG garbage. In these parts we judge it... poorly. That will not stand uncontested in this community (but Black Dynamite). If Rym posted that shit you think he would be let off the hook? He'd be lucky to have friends the next day.
Except Scojo. He'll stay friends with any kinda crazy person.
There is nothing else to discuss. It's like saying the rebel flag has nothing to do with racism because one guy isn't bright enough to get the connection.
You are getting mocked because you're like the one guy saying you like the rebel flag because it has pretty colors and that's all it represents.
GG was never, EVER, about journalism. It was about tearing down women. Full stop. If you think otherwise, you got duped.
This is also an ENTIRELY SEPARATE ISSUE from whoever you are and whatever insecurities you have.
But he couldn't know that, so pulling that "they say never meet your Stars" attitude is bullshit. You're trying to play the victim for something that was just a misunderstanding. Don't be like that. Dude: celebrities are just people. Hell, I'd say there's a good dozen or so people on this forum that are minor internet celebrities in their own right. But they're just people. And you cant get hung up on what people think of you because there will be people who won't like you for no reason. Literally no reason. For example: one of my coworkers at the paper I worked at didn't like me and I didn't like him. Nothing happened between us, we weren't competing for anything, we both recognized each other's skills and value, but we hated each other and neither of us could articulate why. You can't let what other people think of you affect you like that. You can't be that skittish and still expect to make friends.
And podcasts... podcasts are not friends.
But I get the appeal: one of the biggest things about radio was that it was the first medium to provide an illusion of personal familiarity with the people on the sending side of the medium. But it's not the same. It's not that they're "always there for you". They're just shows. Listening to Rym and Scott talk is nothing like actually talking with them. On the podcast, they're just two dudes talking. In person, Rym's a sprightly elf of a man with maxed out charisma stats and Scott is (somehow) a loveable grumblebucket. But talking to them on the forum or in person isn't as "safe" as just listening to them because, surprise surprise, they talk back. And if you disagree with them, they'll take you on about it. Not just them, anyone.
If you wanna form relationships with people, especially on this forum, you've gotta be able to take it on the chin without getting all defensive or flighty. If you can't do that, then maybe this forum isn't right for you just yet.
But, from my personal experience, you should try to stick around and learn how things are done here. I've been around these folks for almost ten years now and I am definitively a better person for it.
Same thing with bad cops. Sure, you are the supposed good cop. You didn't kill any innocent people. You didn't do anything corrupt. But did you denounce and rat out the cops who did? If not, then you're part of the problem.
First, "having a problem with the gaming press in 2014" has literally nothing to do with gamergate, which was just a movement started by one guy to harass an ex-girlfriend.
Second, what do you mean by "feminist media company?"
Stop talking about you and start talking about the topic.
No one hates you. No one knows you. We come to this forum to discuss ideas. If you are having social and emotional problems, there are other threads within this forum regarding such subjects. ZOMG, this.
Just stick to the topic and avoid the personal element. I was one of the first gun control advocates on the forum. On that topic, I was in the minority and there was fierce debate. At no point did I take it personally.
As to idolizing anyone, just don't do it. Peoples be peoples. Appreciate them for what they have to offer, but recognize that fallibility is part of whole being human thing. While admiration and respect are lovely, healthy things, idolization turns unhealthy right quick. Don't tie your worth to being liked or disliked by others.
Further, don't confuse disagreement with dislike or disrespect. There are many people whom I admire who do not share my ideologies. Heck, one of my best friends in the world is an objectavist, which is almost the opposite of my ethical construct. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they dislike or disrespect you. This isn't changing your personality, it is changing your outlook, your behavior, and the decision making process behind them. It may be difficult at first, but like everything, it gets easier with practice. You've got to start somewhere, so why not right here and right now?
Anyway, back to the subject: What, specifically, do you support in the GG movement and why?
Why are you so desperate to get me back arguing? I'm convinced it's because it's much easier to trash me than to partake in actual activism. By knocking me down you can feel like you're heroically defending women without actually risking anything. I'm providing you with a a free stress relief ball that also makes you feel morally superior.
Would you ever leverage your own power to make a difference in gaming communities or against evil cops?
Two, that literally doesn't matter. The "movement" still did what it did, and there's no defending that. Stop trying to muddy the waters. You're defending gamergate. What do either of those things have to do with it?
Also...
We know why you're here.
Pretty sure I see a bunch of things you've posted elsewhere (twitter, reddit) that imply you're an active and motivated troll trying to muddy the waters here. Your posts have not disabused me of the idea.