Pete, statements like "30 is the new 20" and shows like the one you listed put incredibly unrealistic expectations on people, particularly women, as they age. Those women are starved, worked out, waxed, tweaked, tightened, plumped, oiled, sucked, squeezed into major foundation garments, and underneath a veritable mask of makeup.
In college I had a nutrition teacher who told how we need to eat right and exercise and she looked fantastic despite being in probably her mid 40's. Just saying it can be done if you make it a lifestyle choice.
People want a partner that shares their interests and activities. Some people are really into running marathons, sports, mountain biking, swimming, hiking, surfing, horseback riding, yoga and other very physical activities. For the most part, people who do those things constantly are HOT!!!
They may come off as shallow, but they're really looking for someone who can keep up with their more physical lifestyle.
@ Nuri: Nuri! I was elaborating on the body changes more in response to Funfetus' continuation than anyone else. NO, I have no problem with aging, and I would think you would know that. Your point about 20 being the new 30 is not the only way that phrase is used. It is plastered on magazines with articles not only about lifestyles, but also used in conjunction with looks and what one is expected to maintain said youthful looks. I have no problem with people aging, particularly not with them aging naturally. Heck, I can't wait to be retirement/Grandma age, personally. My point was not just about 30 year olds, it is about the increasing pressure to be tight, thin, and glowing until death - it is like our generation's version of doing dishes in high heels and pearls, the media sells it as how women should be and, unfortunately, a lot of people buy it - I wasn't implying that anyone here bought it. I am genuinely appalled at people's obsession with weight, wrinkles, age, etc. What is all this "we" stuff. I wasn't addressing any particular group. Why so argumentative? Seriously, chill out.
Pete, statements like "30 is the new 20" and shows like the one you listed put incredibly unrealistic expectations on people, particularly women, as they age. Those women are starved, worked out, waxed, tweaked, tightened, plumped, oiled, sucked, squeezed into major foundation garments, and underneath a veritable mask of makeup.
In college I had a nutrition teacher who told how we need to eat right and exercise and she looked fantastic despite being in probably her mid 40's. Just saying it can be done if you make it a lifestyle choice.
Lifestyle choice isn't the only factor. Genetics, cosmetics, etc. are also factors.
My point was not just about 30 year olds, it is about the increasing pressure to be tight, thin, and glowing until death
I will be extremely disappointed with myself if I can't do just that at least until I hit 60 or so.
And that is great for you. My point was that expecting that from all other human beings, or you sexual partner, may not be so reasonable. Bodies break down, lifestyles change, wrinkles happen, etc.
Lifestyle choice isn't the only factor. Genetics, cosmetics, etc. are also factors.
Obviously there are other factors, but what struck me was how fit and trim she looked despite being middle aged and having had a few kids.
And that is great for you. My point was that expecting that from all other human beings, or you sexual partner, may not be so reasonable. Bodies break down, lifestyles change, wrinkles happen, etc.
As Wyatt said, the people that will expect that as not going to get involved with people who don't want to do that.
It sounded like you were, Kate. It sounded like you were militantly harping on the issue that everyone had already agreed on. Every time something comes up that could be vaguely related to the self-consciousness of women, you seem to pop up and turn the conversation into a barrage of societal blame. You do make valid points, but you also often come across as really, really self-righteous and pushy. I'm not being argumentative. I'm pointing out that you are being annoying.
No one in this thread is trying to say that older women need to look younger. You are preaching to the choir, and the service ended about 5 hours ago.
In all seriousness, I do look forward to a day where there is no such thing as aging (in the degenerative sense). It's nothing more than a disease we must overcome.
In all seriousness, I do look forward to a day where there is no such thing as aging (in the degenerative sense). It's nothing more than a disease we must overcome.
You sound a lot like Aubrey de Grey there, Rym. You becoming a little bit singularitarian?
In all seriousness, I do look forward to a day where there is no such thing as aging (in the degenerative sense). It's nothing more than a disease we must overcome.
You could do it. Modified telomerases we can shut off and stem cell rejuvenation, among other things.
You will likely be dead before this is possible, of course. I would expect brain uploading to happen first, in which case you could just chill out and wait for someone to be able to grow you a clone you could write yourself to.
You will likely be dead before this is possible, of course. I would expect brain uploading to happen first, in which case you could just chill out and wait for someone to be able to grow you a clone you could write yourself to.
I also look forward to that. The real future of humanity's legacy is not that we will reach out to the stars as humans, but that the essence of what we are will do it in our stead. Our ideas will long outlive us. But, whatever form they take when they leave this galaxy, it will not be that of a human body.
Leave it to the FRC forum to turn a thread about dating into a thread about transhumanism.
The totality of mankind's future converges on this very idea. There is no path but to transcend humanity, for there is no possibility but to evolve or disappear: neither results in humanity.
You think one issue about age with dating, is how really old men can still be considered attractive by young women? I'm thinking like, old actors can still be considered attractive by particular people. Men do enjoy the idea of cougars, but I severely doubt that many men would want to do women in the 50+. How often is a 50+ year old woman is called sexy? Not beautiful, not good for her age, but SEXY.
No one in this thread is trying to say that older women need to look younger.
Right. I think the general point is that the maximum age at which women are considered attractive has been steadily increasing over years. Sure, there are still plenty of societal pressures, but things are getting better.
My point was not just about 30 year olds, it is about the increasing pressure to be tight, thin, and glowing until death
See, this is where we're disagreeing. I don't see any increasing pressure to be tight, thin, and glowing until death. What I've seen is a general increase in the willingness of society to accept people how they are. Perhaps our experiences vary, but I only see more tolerance for "undesirable" physical characteristics, not less.
Sure, "30 is the new 20" can be taken to mean that women are under pressure to look young and beautiful. The thing is, that's not the new trend. That trend has been around for a while. The new trend is using "30 is the new 20" to reflect a more realistic view of attractiveness. That is the trend that I see most prominently.
More often than you think. There are sexy 50-year old women out there. Lots? Maybe not, but there also really aren't that many sexy 50-year old men either.
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They may come off as shallow, but they're really looking for someone who can keep up with their more physical lifestyle.
Summary: Gym Nuts don't date Couch Potatoes.
What is all this "we" stuff. I wasn't addressing any particular group. Why so argumentative? Seriously, chill out. Lifestyle choice isn't the only factor. Genetics, cosmetics, etc. are also factors.
No one in this thread is trying to say that older women need to look younger. You are preaching to the choir, and the service ended about 5 hours ago.
You will likely be dead before this is possible, of course. I would expect brain uploading to happen first, in which case you could just chill out and wait for someone to be able to grow you a clone you could write yourself to.
Sure, "30 is the new 20" can be taken to mean that women are under pressure to look young and beautiful. The thing is, that's not the new trend. That trend has been around for a while. The new trend is using "30 is the new 20" to reflect a more realistic view of attractiveness. That is the trend that I see most prominently.
Not every man can be Bruce Willis, y'know?
This could have dramatic legal ramifications.